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...most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

Prove that you have a right to self-determination.

[Viewpoint]

DT Wrote:

The UK does not have quotas on how many English live in Wales and how many Scots live in England. The UK does not force a Scotsman that lives in England to vote in Scotland. Scotland, Wales and England are places that have had Scots, Welsh and English living on them in these areas. In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks? (apart from the forced conditions of the last 34 years)

They did when they were first established mate - when they first gained independence. There you go off on one again about

In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks

AND, where in 3000 years did the White Americans inhabit the territorial area today known as the USA, or Australia, and etc, etc. Please stop building your self-suited GC-scenarios when it comes to the Cyprus situation. Politics as you clearly know is a complicated web that takes into consideration many elements, most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

These people are very welcome to find their own land and to declare whatever they like. You can't have self determination on someone else's land. Czechoslovakia split amicable because the Slovaks lived in Slovakia and Czechs in their own area. The Tc's have always been spread across the island and the majority of the population of the geographic area you wish to determine its future has always been GC.

You are mixing apples with pears, the indivdual rights to land is one thing the right of self determination of a country is another. If the components of that county cannot merge to form one then the will split to form 2 parts which is what happened in 1974.

[Kikapu]

DT Wrote:

The UK does not have quotas on how many English live in Wales and how many Scots live in England. The UK does not force a Scotsman that lives in England to vote in Scotland. Scotland, Wales and England are places that have had Scots, Welsh and English living on them in these areas. In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks? (apart from the forced conditions of the last 34 years)

They did when they were first established mate - when they first gained independence. There you go off on one again about

In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks

AND, where in 3000 years did the White Americans inhabit the territorial area today known as the USA, or Australia, and etc, etc. Please stop building your self-suited GC-scenarios when it comes to the Cyprus situation. Politics as you clearly know is a complicated web that takes into consideration many elements, most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

These people are very welcome to find their own land and to declare whatever they like. You can't have self determination on someone else's land. Czechoslovakia split amicable because the Slovaks lived in Slovakia and Czechs in their own area. The Tc's have always been spread across the island and the majority of the population of the geographic area you wish to determine its future has always been GC.

You are mixing apples with pears, the indivdual rights to land is one thing the right of self determination of a country is another. If the components of that county cannot merge to form one then the will split to form 2 parts which is what happened in 1974.

It was never an agreed separation into two parts by the natives, but rather a forced separation by a foreign power, therefore it can never be accepted to be a legitimate separation and the claim to the north part by it's rightful owners will win over those wishing to create self determination on their country, since the north part of the country is owned by every native to Cyprus, so it is you who is once again mixing Apples and Pears. Without the foreign power, within 5 minutes, there won't be any self determination of the north or do you disagree with this.?

[YFred]

DT Wrote:

The UK does not have quotas on how many English live in Wales and how many Scots live in England. The UK does not force a Scotsman that lives in England to vote in Scotland. Scotland, Wales and England are places that have had Scots, Welsh and English living on them in these areas. In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks? (apart from the forced conditions of the last 34 years)

They did when they were first established mate - when they first gained independence. There you go off on one again about

In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks

AND, where in 3000 years did the White Americans inhabit the territorial area today known as the USA, or Australia, and etc, etc. Please stop building your self-suited GC-scenarios when it comes to the Cyprus situation. Politics as you clearly know is a complicated web that takes into consideration many elements, most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

These people are very welcome to find their own land and to declare whatever they like. You can't have self determination on someone else's land. Czechoslovakia split amicable because the Slovaks lived in Slovakia and Czechs in their own area. The Tc's have always been spread across the island and the majority of the population of the geographic area you wish to determine its future has always been GC.

You are mixing apples with pears, the indivdual rights to land is one thing the right of self determination of a country is another. If the components of that county cannot merge to form one then the will split to form 2 parts which is what happened in 1974.

It was never an agreed separation into two parts by the natives, but rather a forced separation by a foreign power, therefore it can never be accepted to be a legitimate separation and the claim to the north part by it's rightful owners will win over those wishing to create self determination on their country, since the north part of the country is owned by every native to Cyprus, so it is you who is once again mixing Apples and Pears. Without the foreign power, within 5 minutes, there won't be any self determination of the north or do you disagree with this.?

So TMT and EOKA had no part in it then?

[Kifeas]

DT Wrote:

The UK does not have quotas on how many English live in Wales and how many Scots live in England. The UK does not force a Scotsman that lives in England to vote in Scotland. Scotland, Wales and England are places that have had Scots, Welsh and English living on them in these areas. In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks? (apart from the forced conditions of the last 34 years)

They did when they were first established mate - when they first gained independence. There you go off on one again about

In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks

AND, where in 3000 years did the White Americans inhabit the territorial area today known as the USA, or Australia, and etc, etc. Please stop building your self-suited GC-scenarios when it comes to the Cyprus situation. Politics as you clearly know is a complicated web that takes into consideration many elements, most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

These people are very welcome to find their own land and to declare whatever they like. You can't have self determination on someone else's land. Czechoslovakia split amicable because the Slovaks lived in Slovakia and Czechs in their own area. The Tc's have always been spread across the island and the majority of the population of the geographic area you wish to determine its future has always been GC.

You are mixing apples with pears, the indivdual rights to land is one thing the right of self determination of a country is another. If the components of that county cannot merge to form one then the will split to form 2 parts which is what happened in 1974.

Everybody listen to what this "poutana" (hooker) says. First they kiked all the GC owners of the land out of their homes and properties in the occupied north of Cyprus, then they illegally usurped them, then they illegally brought an equal number of foreigners from Turkey and gave them the stolen properies and homes of the GCs, and now they (the thieves and the foreigners) also want to excersise a self determination "right" in somebody else's country. Ayse hanum, there are plenty of "kerhanes" in Turkey, and you are free to go there and practice your "self-determination" so-called right! And do not talk to me about respect, becasue you receive as much as you give!

[Kikapu]

DT Wrote:

The UK does not have quotas on how many English live in Wales and how many Scots live in England. The UK does not force a Scotsman that lives in England to vote in Scotland. Scotland, Wales and England are places that have had Scots, Welsh and English living on them in these areas. In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks? (apart from the forced conditions of the last 34 years)

They did when they were first established mate - when they first gained independence. There you go off on one again about

In 3000 years of Cypriot history when has the northern part of Cyprus been inhabited by a majority of Turks

AND, where in 3000 years did the White Americans inhabit the territorial area today known as the USA, or Australia, and etc, etc. Please stop building your self-suited GC-scenarios when it comes to the Cyprus situation. Politics as you clearly know is a complicated web that takes into consideration many elements, most importantly the right to self-determination of those people whom DO NOT WISH to live under the government of another - this is the call of the Turkish Cypriot people. This is a fact.

These people are very welcome to find their own land and to declare whatever they like. You can't have self determination on someone else's land. Czechoslovakia split amicable because the Slovaks lived in Slovakia and Czechs in their own area. The Tc's have always been spread across the island and the majority of the population of the geographic area you wish to determine its future has always been GC.

You are mixing apples with pears, the indivdual rights to land is one thing the right of self determination of a country is another. If the components of that county cannot merge to form one then the will split to form 2 parts which is what happened in 1974.

It was never an agreed separation into two parts by the natives, but rather a forced separation by a foreign power, therefore it can never be accepted to be a legitimate separation and the claim to the north part by it's rightful owners will win over those wishing to create self determination on their country, since the north part of the country is owned by every native to Cyprus, so it is you who is once again mixing Apples and Pears. Without the foreign power, within 5 minutes, there won't be any self determination of the north or do you disagree with this.?

So TMT and EOKA had no part in it then?

Stick close to the subject about mixing of Apples & Pears which is what VP was talking about and not mixing it with Elephants also.!