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Loyalty of TCs,"Settlers" to Turkey

Postby insan » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:17 am

Loyalty of TCs,"Settlers"and "Settlers" breeds towards Turkey

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Turkey's idea of getting a foot hold in Cyprus is through a air / naval base in Karpaz (with a contingent of troops to protect its Southern flanks) and with a small population of its own - settlers. Turkey does not accept Turkish Cypriots as loyal but as Cypriots, so they move their own people in. This is a different issue. We can discuss this if you like in more detail.


Omer,

As far as I observed as aTC like to conduct observations almost abt everything, the first wave of settlers were from laz and Kurdish origin, peasants. Almost all of them had average education and couldn't even talk Turkish, properly. In 5-10 years time all of them absorbed TC culture and way of life. The little kids they brought to Northern Cyprus and their Cyprus born breeds r almost impossible to differenciate from TCs. The second wave of settlers were mostly Arabic origin from Hatay and due to their isolated environment in old Nicosia(inner Walls), they couldn't have much opportunity to get integrated into TC community. They support various TC political parties.

Few political parties founded by a group of settlers could have never passed the required threshold in order to be represented in TRNC assembly. 2 main political parties of TCs have always been UBP and CTP which got abt 65% of the votes.

The "loyalty" of TCs towards Turkey depends on all kinds of mutual relations with Turkish governments. Same goes with the settler origin TCs in TRNC. How satisfactory r the bilateral relations for TCs, that much the TCs happy with Turkey and "loyal" to her. Actually it's not a matter of "loyalty" but it would be far better to describe it as a bilateral cooperation for mutual interests. We owe our existence in Cyprus to those good bilateral realtions with Turkey. I feel forced to underline that we owe our existence in Cyprus not to Turkey but the good bilateral relations and cooperation with Turkey.

There has been many occasions some of our leaders and political parties opposed some of the leaders and political parties of Turkey on some issues. Who was right, who was wrong is discussible and depends on ideological differences but everytime such oppositions happened between them and us, it had been seen and understood that none of the Turkish leaders or political parties act against the will of vast majority of TCs.

A side note; Istrongly believe that(and there's an academic study) the gradual arrival of settlers and their settlement into North is in perfect correlation with the circumstances of Northern Cyprus.

Has the administration of Northern Cyprus been a recognized entity, 10 thousands of TCs wouldn't emigrate and even 10 thousands of TCs who emigrated since the begining of the Brit rule would most probably return to Cyprus.

In the begining of the British rule, TCs constituted 1/3 of population and has the administration of Northern Cyprus been an internationally recognized entity the Ottoman descendent TCs would have constituted 1/3 of the population of present day Northern Cyprus.

GCs backed by Greece and diaspora Greeks presumes that we would surrender their "majority rule" or "osmosis" policy under economic isolations. They r totally mistaken and by insisting on their decades lasted negative political stance towards TCs, they fed the anger, revenge feelings and seperatist feelings to a much greater extend. They still continue with same mentality which I'm sure will end up with totally 2 seperate states.
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:11 am

My own observation as what I consider to be a fairly informed outside observer of Turkish-speaking society in Cyprus is that, while it is easily possible to distinguish between the older generation of Turkish Cypriots and people who have migrated to Cyprus from Anatolia, it is impossible to distinguish between young Turkish Cypriots and the Cyprus-born children of migrants from Turkey. Young Turkish Cypriots are less "Cypriot" than their parents, but by the same token, the children of Anatolians are far more "Cypriot" than their parents.
I am convinced that if there is no settlement soon and the status quo continues for another 20 years, as the current young generation goes to school and grows up together, we will see the emergence of a new hybrid culture incorporating both Cypriot and Anatolian elements. Intermarriage will become very common. There is a universal phenomenon whereby the children of immgrants outperform local children in schools and few of these go on to achieve prominence. I would expect to see quite a few of the children of Turkish migrants to eventually rise to fame in various fields.
Once this happens, I fear that all hopes of eventual reunification will be buried. A demographic time bomb is ticking away.
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Postby CopperLine » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:23 am

Agreed, Tim Drayton.

Insan, I agree with much of what you say except the point about "Ottoman descendants." Sure some were immigrant from Anatolia and elsewhere as Ottoman administrators etc, but a good majority were not ethnically Turk, though many were indeed Muslim. Many Cypriots are 'Turkish' as a result of their predecessors religious conversion, just like across the whole Balkan-Aegean-Anatolian region, and those 'Greeks' who converted from Islam. Or those 'Turks' who were Christian, or those 'Greeks' who were Muslim.
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Postby iceman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:33 am

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Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..
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Postby halil » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:46 am

iceman wrote:insan
Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..


Iceman ,
there are kurds as well . they settle down in Boltaşlı , Kumyalı , Pamuklu ,
gelincik ,karpas and surrounding villages .

Laz are settle down Değirmenlik , İskele ,kaplıca and some parts of the kyrenia villages etc ...etc ....
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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:47 am

iceman wrote:insan
Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..


Have any of these families kept the Laz language alive?
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Postby halil » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:04 am

Tim Drayton wrote:
iceman wrote:insan
Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..


Have any of these families kept the Laz language alive?


yes Tim ,
they can speak Laz language too even the young ones .

at my work place we have Kurds and Lazs as well . They all came at 1975 .
Some of them lives in Kaplıca ,Gelincik ,iskele and değirmenlik . they were 7-10 years old at that time .
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Postby iceman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:16 am

halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
iceman wrote:insan
Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..


Have any of these families kept the Laz language alive?


yes Tim ,
they can speak Laz language too even the young ones .

at my work place we have Kurds and Lazs as well . They all came at 1975 .
Some of them lives in Kaplıca ,Gelincik ,iskele and değirmenlik . they were 7-10 years old at that time .



Halil
Do you know what Laz language is?
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Postby iceman » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:20 am

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Postby Tim Drayton » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:28 am

halil wrote:
Tim Drayton wrote:
iceman wrote:insan
Turkey never brought in settlers with Kurdish background..
the majority of the settlers brought in after 1974 and given GC property were Laz...
Kurds came here much later as workforce and did not benefit from property handouts..


Have any of these families kept the Laz language alive?


yes Tim ,
they can speak Laz language too even the young ones .

at my work place we have Kurds and Lazs as well . They all came at 1975 .
Some of them lives in Kaplıca ,Gelincik ,iskele and değirmenlik . they were 7-10 years old at that time .


It seems that an incredible amount of linguistic and ethnic diversity has been imported from mainland Turkey. You can hear Kurdish and Arabic spoken in the walled section of Nicosia, and you say that some families are keeping the Laz language alive. There are a lot of Alevis in Cyprus now, as well. There are proportionally fewer monolingual Turkish-speaking Sunni Moslems who make up the backbone of Turkish national identity in Turkey. I can't help wondering how this affects the sense of identity that these people have, and especially that of their Cyprus-born children.
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