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[halil]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

Omer, Oracle cannot do any damage because everyone knows she is the resident racist and is ignored. Although some members respond to her out of courtesy just to be civil.

Insan came in this forum with a mehmethcik helmet screaming "death to the gavurs". If he got pushed further then we'd have to tie him up like Hannibal with a jaw cage.

Thank you both for informing on the dynamics of the forum... I didn't know.

I don't think Insan is like what u describe him DT ....

how about Omer sayin '' who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me. '' Do u agree with Omer , DT ?

[insan]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

Omer, Oracle cannot do any damage because everyone knows she is the resident racist and is ignored. Although some members respond to her out of courtesy just to be civil.

Insan came in this forum with a mehmethcik helmet screaming "death to the gavurs". If he got pushed further then we'd have to tie him up like Hannibal with a jaw cage.

Check my date of sign-up and check my older posts to discover how friendly I was with the then GCs members of the forum. I still bear the same mentality. I have never insulted anybody unless they insulted me.

Oracle is just a poor, victim of Hellenic propaganda.

[insan]

Loyalty of TCs,"Settlers"and "Settlers" breeds towards Turkey

Omer Seyhan wrote:

Turkey's idea of getting a foot hold in Cyprus is through a air / naval base in Karpaz (with a contingent of troops to protect its Southern flanks) and with a small population of its own - settlers. Turkey does not accept Turkish Cypriots as loyal but as Cypriots, so they move their own people in. This is a different issue. We can discuss this if you like in more detail.

Omer,

As far as I observed as aTC like to conduct observations almost abt everything, the first wave of settlers were from laz and Kurdish origin, peasants. Almost all of them had average education and couldn't even talk Turkish, properly. In 5-10 years time all of them absorbed TC culture and way of life. The little kids they brought to Northern Cyprus and their Cyprus born breeds r almost impossible to differenciate from TCs. The second wave of settlers were mostly Arabic origin from Hatay and due to their isolated environment in old Nicosia(inner Walls), they couldn't have much opportunity to get integrated into TC community. They support various TC political parties.

Few political parties founded by a group of settlers could have never passed the required threshold in order to be represented in TRNC assembly. 2 main political parties of TCs have always been UBP and CTP which got abt 65% of the votes.

The "loyalty" of TCs towards Turkey depends on all kinds of mutual relations with Turkish governments. Same goes with the settler origin TCs in TRNC. How satisfactory r the bilateral relations for TCs, that much the TCs happy with Turkey and "loyal" to her. Actually it's not a matter of "loyalty" but it would be far better to describe it as a bilateral cooperation for mutual interests. We owe our existence in Cyprus to those good bilateral realtions with Turkey. I feel forced to underline that we owe our existence in Cyprus not to Turkey but the good bilateral relations and cooperation with Turkey.

There has been many occasions some of our leaders and political parties opposed some of the leaders and political parties of Turkey on some issues. Who was right, who was wrong is discussible and depends on ideological differences but everytime such oppositions happened between them and us, it had been seen and understood that none of the Turkish leaders or political parties act against the will of vast majority of TCs.

A side note; Istrongly believe that(and there's an academic study) the gradual arrival of settlers and their settlement into North is in perfect correlation with the circumstances of Northern Cyprus.

Has the administration of Northern Cyprus been a recognized entity, 10 thousands of TCs wouldn't emigrate and even 10 thousands of TCs who emigrated since the begining of the Brit rule would most probably return to Cyprus.

In the begining of the British rule, TCs constituted 1/3 of population and has the administration of Northern Cyprus been an internationally recognized entity the Ottoman descendent TCs would have constituted 1/3 of the population of present day Northern Cyprus.

GCs backed by Greece and diaspora Greeks presumes that we would surrender their "majority rule" or "osmosis" policy under economic isolations. They r totally mistaken and by insisting on their decades lasted negative political stance towards TCs, they fed the anger, revenge feelings and seperatist feelings to a much greater extend. They still continue with same mentality which I'm sure will end up with totally 2 seperate states.

Turkey funds this state entirely. 1/3 of TRNC civil servants are bankrolled by Ankara. Every year after the 8th month, the TRNc President flies to Ankara for more money and it is given to them with more conditions.

Who should fund TRNC if not Turkey, Omer? What r those conditions, if u don't mind to explain us? And please explain us where do TC leadership and Turkey go wrong? How can they correct their mistakes? What should they do in ur opinion?

[DT.]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

Omer, Oracle cannot do any damage because everyone knows she is the resident racist and is ignored. Although some members respond to her out of courtesy just to be civil.

Insan came in this forum with a mehmethcik helmet screaming "death to the gavurs". If he got pushed further then we'd have to tie him up like Hannibal with a jaw cage.

Thank you both for informing on the dynamics of the forum... I didn't know.

I don't think Insan is like what u describe him DT ....

how about Omer sayin '' who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me. '' Do u agree with Omer , DT ?

Insan has taken the initiative and whether by his own convictions or being pushed by others has written some posts that are even more extreme than the usual partitionists. What the hell can you do with someone who claims to want the unification of his island but does not respect democracy and human rights?

as for the other thing,
unacceptable as in you don't agree with Omer or unacceptable as in you majority rule is unacceptable.

[insan]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

Omer, Oracle cannot do any damage because everyone knows she is the resident racist and is ignored. Although some members respond to her out of courtesy just to be civil.

Insan came in this forum with a mehmethcik helmet screaming "death to the gavurs". If he got pushed further then we'd have to tie him up like Hannibal with a jaw cage.

Thank you both for informing on the dynamics of the forum... I didn't know.

I don't think Insan is like what u describe him DT ....

how about Omer sayin '' who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me. '' Do u agree with Omer , DT ?

Insan has taken the initiative and whether by his own convictions or being pushed by others has written some posts that are even more extreme than the usual partitionists. What the hell can you do with someone who claims to want the unification of his island but does not respect democracy and human rights?

as for the other thing,
unacceptable as in you don't agree with Omer or unacceptable as in you majority rule is unacceptable.

If so, all TCs except Kikapu r extremists that don't have respect to democracy and human rights. However the fact is that u r not aware of what consociational democracy is. U killed consociationalism and even don't ever wish to hear it again but this doea not make consociational democracy non-existent.

DT, u r just an opportunist, propagandist trying to create false impressions abt me in order to take Omer's attention away from Oracle, towards me. Feel free to carry out ur sneaky plans. Sneaky plans r always doomed to fail like Akritas plan.

[Oracle]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

What we explicitly ask for is Democracy. Interpret it as you wish, but do not lecture me on tyranny whilst a small minority holds my whole country to ransom.

As for Insan ... he has been posting here for way longer than myself, and his posts are extremely, superbly Turkish Nationalist inspired ... So perhaps it is BECAUSE of people like him that I started posting!

But of course you would come here and try and support the spread of his Turkish Nationalist propaganda .... since you are proving to be cut from the same cloth!

(Perhaps you could give some cloth back to insan )

[insan]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

Omer, can u show me a few example of my extremist thoughts? Oracle is not the only Hellen I have some type of relation.

[insan]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

What we explicitly ask for is Democracy. Interpret it as you wish, but do not lecture me on tyranny whilst a small minority holds my whole country to ransom.

As for Insan ... he has been posting here for way longer than myself, and his posts are extremely, superbly Turkish Nationalist inspired ... So perhaps it is BECAUSE of people like him that I started posting!

But of course you would come here and try and support the spread of his Turkish Nationalist propaganda .... since you are proving to be cut from the same cloth!

(Perhaps you could give some cloth back to insan )

U r ridiculous Oracle as usual. Everyone, not only TCs and Turks; who does not support ur ultra-nationalist arguments and thesis r Turkish nationalists or "paid" journalists or "traitors".

[YFred]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

What we explicitly ask for is Democracy. Interpret it as you wish, but do not lecture me on tyranny whilst a small minority holds my whole country to ransom.

As for Insan ... he has been posting here for way longer than myself, and his posts are extremely, superbly Turkish Nationalist inspired ... So perhaps it is BECAUSE of people like him that I started posting!

But of course you would come here and try and support the spread of his Turkish Nationalist propaganda .... since you are proving to be cut from the same cloth!

(Perhaps you could give some cloth back to insan )

U r ridiculous Oracle as usual. Everyone, not only TCs and Turks; who does not support ur ultra-nationalist arguments and thesis r Turkish nationalists or "paid" journalists or "traitors".

Insan, I told you a million times not to be so aggresive towards our Hellenic friends, after all they are human too you know.

[insan]

[I agree that the T/C population has been shrinking and the policies of the Greek Cypriot controlled RoC have not helped. Yes, there are people like Oracle who believe the majority can rule... and tyranise. This is unacceptable to me.

Why do you associate majority rule with tyranny?

Historically it is splinter, minority groups which have tyrannised traditional norms ... So far it is the TCs who are behaving like tyrants illegally living on lands ethnically cleansed of the rightful owners.

Go figure

Because thats what always happens when people explicitly ask for majority rule. Particularly when it is uttered by those who dream of Hellenism, who deny that Cyprus has any Turkish input and who only care about their own community and not of Cyprus as a whole.

I don't believe you really think the way you do Oracle, I think you think this forum is a bit of a laugh to you, but the damage you are doing to Cyprus by arguing your Hellenism, by pushing away T/Cs like Insan to opposite extremist thinking by rejecting him and offering him no place in your Cyprus is enormous and will take decades to fix, if it can be fixed at all.

What we explicitly ask for is Democracy. Interpret it as you wish, but do not lecture me on tyranny whilst a small minority holds my whole country to ransom.

As for Insan ... he has been posting here for way longer than myself, and his posts are extremely, superbly Turkish Nationalist inspired ... So perhaps it is BECAUSE of people like him that I started posting!

But of course you would come here and try and support the spread of his Turkish Nationalist propaganda .... since you are proving to be cut from the same cloth!

(Perhaps you could give some cloth back to insan )

U r ridiculous Oracle as usual. Everyone, not only TCs and Turks; who does not support ur ultra-nationalist arguments and thesis r Turkish nationalists or "paid" journalists or "traitors".

Insan, I told you a million times not to be so aggresive towards our Hellenic friends, after all they are human too you know.

Either I'm not aware of my agressiveness or I am comprehended as agressive by some forum members. I consider myself a romantic, smoothy even have tolerance towards EOKA-B that I suggested to examine EOKA-B and it's actions according to criminology and the ideology they believe.

Pla show me just a single post of mine that I insulted someone on this forum before i was insulted.