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[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot, I have no idea why don't "Embargoes group" stand up for them too but I'd like them to condemn such actions, too.

Thanks, insan. Maybe you should tell them you'd like them to condemn such acts otherwise, they are not worthy of the name 'human rights' group.

How overwhelming majority of GCs consider some GCs who express their opinions against the generally accepted and known thesis of GCs as "Traitor";

If someone called me a traitor...

Ishen na du dhogo mian bu na men ixeri bothhen du ’rten.
I would hit him like he didn’t know where it came from.

Either that or sue for incitement to hatred or defamation of character because there are strict laws against this kind of behaviour in civilised countries.

similar attitude exist in TC community, too.

But no laws to inhibit these attitudes. Which is why people in the north need 'human rights' groups like Embargoed! to campaign on their behalf and condemn attacks on them. Only they don't. Why?

How did those killers and their backers organized and commit those crimes. It is totally related with "our" educational level, sociologic order, psychologic mood that r in a chaotic situation because of many reasons. The first one is we don't have "high quality" leaders and politicians, we don't have required number of "high quality" civil initives, we don't have sufficient "high quality" brain power.

How we could have them without a strong economy that would provide the required conditions for us to positively develop ourselves?

You could have all of this if Turkey's army were to leave and northern Cyprus were to join the rest of the EU, with all its associated opportunities. But that is another argument which I know we will not agree on.

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Only TC far right approve and get involved in such assassinations.
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Are you suggesting the reason Embargoed! don't condemn these assassinations is because they are connected with the TC far right?

No matter how long ago something was said. I gave that example to u just to make u better understand the mentality and where it leads the people.

Embargoed! are in the UK. They don't have to operate with such mentality.

Once the argument of GCs was "self-determination right" to reach their ultimate goal(Either Enosis or Greek controlled Cyprus); currently in EU, the GC arguement is "human rights and democracy" but the national cause is same again. (Greek controlled Cyprus and a stronger Hellenic nation against Turkish "agression" in Aegean and Mediterennean.)

For 'Hellenic' read 'European'. For the EU is the inheritor of ancient Greek civilisation and its democratic ideals. Mission accomplished, insan.

And the EU affords all its citizens the human rights legislation to keep writers and journalists alive and to prevent far-right extremist idiots from attacking you or calling you 'traitor'.

[insan]

Then, sorry for the inconvenience; The Cypriot. Maybe u r aware of that EU was the first step of globalization funded and founded by Marshall and Truman. Maybe u r happy with the current situation but "noldum deme nolacayım de."(Don't say what I am, say what will I be). There r many good and bad surprises waiting ahead of us especially in the next 10 or 15 years. So many TCs joined the EU in England, in Germany; some joined a better life in Australia and in Turkey. Just some prefered to migrate South for a better life and most of them r our zingaro minority. Rest of TCs r in North still.. that's all...

[The Cypriot]

Then, sorry for the inconvenience; The Cypriot.

insan, I am not inconvenienced. And there's no need to apologise for posting that nonsensical press release from Embargoed! It has given me and others an opportunity to highlight just how cretinous they are as an organisation.

It is I who should be sorry. I thought you were connected with Embargoed! in some way but clearly you are not, as you yourself disapprove of their selective use of the term 'human rights'.

Maybe u r aware of that EU was the first step of globalization funded and founded by Marshall and Truman. Maybe u r happy with the current situation but "noldum deme nolacayım de."(Don't say what I am, say what will I be). There r many good and bad surprises waiting ahead of us especially in the next 10 or 15 years.

Are you now saying TC's don't wish to free themselves from Turkey's army and take their rightful place as citizens of a reunified EU country (and rejoin the world) not because of what may (or may not) have happened 40 or 50 years ago but because of what may (or may not) happen to the EU (and the whole world) in the next 10 or 20?

I've not heard this line of argument before from the TC side. But it's a brilliant one, as I am lost for words.

[insan]

Then, sorry for the inconvenience; The Cypriot.

insan, I am not inconvenienced. And there's no need to apologise for posting that nonsensical press release from Embargoed! It has given me and others an opportunity to highlight just how cretinous they are as an organisation.

It is I who should be sorry. I thought you were connected with Embargoed! in some way but clearly you are not, as you yourself disapprove of their selective use of the term 'human rights'.

Maybe u r aware of that EU was the first step of globalization funded and founded by Marshall and Truman. Maybe u r happy with the current situation but "noldum deme nolacayım de."(Don't say what I am, say what will I be). There r many good and bad surprises waiting ahead of us especially in the next 10 or 15 years.

Are you now saying TC's don't wish to free themselves from Turkey's army and take their rightful place as citizens of a reunified EU country (and rejoin the world) not because of what may (or may not) have happened 40 or 50 years ago but because of what may (or may not) happen to the EU (and the whole world) in the next 10 or 20?

I've not heard this line of argument before from the TC side. But it's a brilliant one, as I am lost for words.

The Cypriot, the mission and what "Embargoed Team" focused on r mentioned on their website.

http://www.embargoed.org/about_us.php

I, my family, my friends and most of the people around me have had no problems with any of the Turkish soldiers or Turkish army officers. I'm not sure if Turkish army have any involvement regarding the assassination of my friend's dad Kutlu Adalı. Moreover, if any Turkish army officer(s) have any involvement with assassination of Kutlu Adalı, those army officers should be tried and punished not whole Turkish Peace Forces that stationed in the North until a solution found. I many times told u that if TCs had a strong military power as GCs have; there would have been just 2-3 thousands of Turkish troops in North until a solution found.

Until early 1990s there was a "gladio" in EU country Italy. This does not mean there won't be a "gladio" in the future; in Italy or in South Cyprus or in any other places. These type of events develope according to the circumstances.

The TCs that wished to live in South Cyprus r already living there... The small minority of TCs that rebel against almost everything still rebel here in North.

I personally once intended to live in South Nicosia. My mom have 3 houses and 4 shops on Ermou street. I asked my mom's permission to give me substitution for getting back those properties but she didn't trust me. I'd like to experience living under GC rule but it didn't happen.

Anyway, as I previously mentioned at a few occassions; I am not happy in Northern Cyprus, neither I would be happy in South Cyprus or in united Cyprus or in 2 seperate states with no embargoes. I have a dream of becoming a big farmer and my dream completely depends on huge water resources.

If I would emigrate somewhere to live, that place should be suitable to materialise my dream. Obviously it's not Cyprus under current circumstances.

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot, the mission and what "Embargoed Team" focused on r mentioned on their website.

http://www.embargoed.org/about_us.php

I know all about their mission, insan...

I, my family, my friends and most of the people around me have had no problems with any of the Turkish soldiers or Turkish army officers. I'm not sure if Turkish army have any involvement regarding the assassination of my friend's dad Kutlu Adalı. Moreover, if any Turkish army officer(s) have any involvement with assassination of Kutlu Adalı, those army officers should be tried and punished not whole Turkish Peace Forces that stationed in the North until a solution found. I many times told u that if TCs had a strong military power as GCs have; there would have been just 2-3 thousands of Turkish troops in North until a solution found.

Until early 1990s there was a "gladio" in EU country Italy. This does not mean there won't be a "gladio" in the future; in Italy or in South Cyprus or in any other places. These type of events develope according to the circumstances.

The TCs that wished to live in South Cyprus r already living there... The small minority of TCs that rebel against almost everything still rebel here in North.

I personally once intended to live in South Nicosia. My mom have 3 houses and 4 shops on Ermou street. I asked my mom's permission to give me substitution for getting back those properties but she didn't trust me. I'd like to experience living under GC rule but it didn't happen.

Anyway, as I previously mentioned at a few occassions; I am not happy in Northern Cyprus, neither I would be happy in South Cyprus or in united Cyprus or in 2 seperate states with no embargoes. I have a dream of becoming a big farmer and my dream completely depends on huge water resources.

If I would emigrate somewhere to live, that place should be suitable to materialise my dream. Obviously it's not Cyprus under current circumstances.

I wish you well with your dreams, insan. In whichever part of the new-world-order you may find yourself.

[insan]

The Cypriot, the mission and what "Embargoed Team" focused on r mentioned on their website.

http://www.embargoed.org/about_us.php

I know all about their mission, insan...

I, my family, my friends and most of the people around me have had no problems with any of the Turkish soldiers or Turkish army officers. I'm not sure if Turkish army have any involvement regarding the assassination of my friend's dad Kutlu Adalı. Moreover, if any Turkish army officer(s) have any involvement with assassination of Kutlu Adalı, those army officers should be tried and punished not whole Turkish Peace Forces that stationed in the North until a solution found. I many times told u that if TCs had a strong military power as GCs have; there would have been just 2-3 thousands of Turkish troops in North until a solution found.

Until early 1990s there was a "gladio" in EU country Italy. This does not mean there won't be a "gladio" in the future; in Italy or in South Cyprus or in any other places. These type of events develope according to the circumstances.

The TCs that wished to live in South Cyprus r already living there... The small minority of TCs that rebel against almost everything still rebel here in North.

I personally once intended to live in South Nicosia. My mom have 3 houses and 4 shops on Ermou street. I asked my mom's permission to give me substitution for getting back those properties but she didn't trust me. I'd like to experience living under GC rule but it didn't happen.

Anyway, as I previously mentioned at a few occassions; I am not happy in Northern Cyprus, neither I would be happy in South Cyprus or in united Cyprus or in 2 seperate states with no embargoes. I have a dream of becoming a big farmer and my dream completely depends on huge water resources.

If I would emigrate somewhere to live, that place should be suitable to materialise my dream. Obviously it's not Cyprus under current circumstances.

I wish you well with your dreams, insan. In whichever part of the new-world-order you may find yourself.

Thank you.