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Article by Shlomo Avineri on Cypriot Refugees

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Nickp » Fri Jun 10, 2005 7:54 pm

magikthrill wrote: what the GCs are doing who will eventually get screwed over as far as ther refugee issuse is concerned.


I think both sides are gonna get screwed on a solution becuase both have to make painful concessions.

It's an interesting article that certainly has merit in parts and need's to asses other factors in other parts.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:19 pm

And whats your point detailer? That the Palestians did not attack the Israelis-and what a surprise they lost the war against them, as well as the Palestine state?

By the way I see the forum turning more and more into a chat room, where most people say nothing, other than copying-pasting and perhaps one line comments.

Keep the good work guys.Soon you will be left alone saying nothing
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Postby detailer » Fri Jun 10, 2005 9:47 pm

And whats your point detailer? That the Palestians did not attack the Israelis-and what a surprise they lost the war against them, as well as the Palestine state?


The point is that there is no thief in Cyprus. Everyone's rights will be compensated when GC accept the necessity of bi-zonality in Cyprus.

By the way I see the forum turning more and more into a chat room, where most people say nothing, other than copying-pasting and perhaps one line comments.

Keep the good work guys.Soon you will be left alone saying nothing


I think people have said what they already know. Even when I looked at the old topics same people were saying the same things. If a new plan for solution comes or the negotiations start again, there will be lots fun here.
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Postby MicAtCyp » Fri Jun 10, 2005 10:48 pm

Detailer wrote: The point is that there is no thief in Cyprus. Everyone's rights will be compensated when GC accept the necessity of bi-zonality in Cyprus.


Oh, yeah right. The GCs will compensate themselves!

wrote: I think people have said what they already know. Even when I looked at the old topics same people were saying the same things.


Yes but obviously you personally did not hear what we said on the above subject.And it's not only you, I would say the majority of participants irrespective of ethnicity.
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Postby cannedmoose » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:48 pm

MicAtCyp wrote:By the way I see the forum turning more and more into a chat room, where most people say nothing, other than copying-pasting and perhaps one line comments.


The problem is that we've gone down the "let's discuss steps towards a solution" route numerous times and always ended up with the same old arguments, rather than attempting to forge a consensus, someone pipes up with the old mantras and wrecks the thread. Hence why unless something concrete happens in the real world, I've pretty much given up attempting to discuss Cyprus problem issues on here as doing so is like going through Groundhog day every time I log on...

Maybe once I'm slightly less disenchanted with the absence of movement in the real events, I might start contributing more again. On that I agree with Detailer...
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Postby magikthrill » Fri Jun 10, 2005 11:59 pm

detailer wrote:
The point is that there is no thief in Cyprus. Everyone's rights will be compensated when GC accept the necessity of bi-zonality in Cyprus.


is this what denktash has been telling you? i hate to break it to you but rights cannot be just compensated.

bizonality is just as necessary as the removal of all turkish speaking people from cyprus.
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Postby detailer » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:31 pm

magikthrill wrote:
detailer wrote:
The point is that there is no thief in Cyprus. Everyone's rights will be compensated when GC accept the necessity of bi-zonality in Cyprus.


is this what denktash has been telling you? i hate to break it to you but rights cannot be just compensated.

bizonality is just as necessary as the removal of all turkish speaking people from cyprus.


Bizonality is a must in Cyprus ...

Believe me, it is better for everyone.
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Postby garbitsch » Sun Jun 12, 2005 9:45 pm

Bizonality has already been accepted by the Greek Cypriots since 70s. Saying that it's just the same as removing Turks from Cyprus is ridiculous. Magik you have always advocated Bizonality. What happened to you now?
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Postby magikthrill » Sun Jun 12, 2005 10:10 pm

garbitchs i accept bizonality in terms of it satisfying a TC demand if an equivalent GC demand is accepted as well.

also most people on this forum claim that they are interested in self government which is what the principle of bicommunality is. bizonality interferes with the rights of GCs though and does not necessarily satisfy any TC right.

a bizaonal federation would allow me to return to my mothers village and live there one day with full rights as a cypriot citizen. anything else is just partition.
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