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[Oracle]

The legend to the figure does not mention Cyprus as being colonised first with M35 carriers.

Besides if you follow the arrow as true, then those early people would have had to sail from Egypt to Cyprus and then on to Greece, something you disputed as a possibility for such "primitive" peoples earlier in the debate.

So what exactly are you suggesting? That people sailed straight to Greece from Egypt? Are you out of your mind???

Nope as we discussed yesterday, over the course of time from the great split about 60,000 years ago, the migratory path was over the Eastern Mediterranean coastline of Lebanon, Syria, Asia Minor across to Greece probably arriving there about 40,000 years ago. But all the while, the possibility existed for groups to take to rafts at any time points, even before reaching Greece, and 'sail' from the land-mass of the Middle East over to Cyprus. Either way, the Cypriots would be a splinter group from those who eventually reached Greece by continuing up the land mass.

Alternatively, since Greece was colonised some decades of thousands of years before Cyprus, according to records, it follows that the greater possibility is that they also sailed between 40,000 and 12,000 years ago, from Greece to Cyprus.

All that these show, is that we were a great bunch to get this far, even 12,000 years ago, but what happened after is the more significant ... because 'trade and communicate' is what brought us to this civilised stage with which we identify.

[Piratis]

The legend to the figure does not mention Cyprus as being colonised first with M35 carriers.

Besides if you follow the arrow as true, then those early people would have had to sail from Egypt to Cyprus and then on to Greece, something you disputed as a possibility for such "primitive" peoples earlier in the debate.

So what exactly are you suggesting? That people sailed straight to Greece from Egypt? Are you out of your mind???

There were no Sails in 50.000BC

And as we agreed already there is no evidence of human settlement in Cyprus before 10.000BC, while in Greece there is. The Map you show just presents source and destination.

So what are you arguing about? Are you saying that for people to move to Greece they necessarily have to pass from Cyprus first?

Also, let me ask you one more question: The people that inhabited what is modern day Greece in 10.000BC were Greeks? The people that inhabited what is now Turkey in 10.000BC were Turks? The people that inhabited what in now France in 10.000BC were French?

I really don't know how you associate prehistoric settlements with ethnic groups. Ethnic groups is something created later. At that time there were no Greeks, no Turks, no French and no Cypriots. Just separate prehistoric settlements which were spread all around the world. There were no countries, ethnicities, nationalities and borders in 10.000BC.

[The Cypriot]

Forgive me guys but isn't all this somewhat... err... academic? Or have I missed something?

Academic? We've haven't even scraped the subject!

Academic as in... (according to my trusted Concise Oxford)

abstract, theoretical, not of practical relevance

as well as the other meaning.

Or have I missed something?

Well duh! This is a debating forum not a kafenio!

Apologies. Please get back to the mass debate. I'm off for a medrion.

[Viewpoint]

can the 8 TCs that voted for "I'm a T/C and consider all of Cyprus is my motherland" reveal themselves?otherwise we will take it that GCs voted for that choice or anyother for that matter.

[denizaksulu]

I consider all of Cyprus my country. How can I not?

Good for you, mate. And no one yet has opted for big Mama Türkiye.

Someone better vote for her quick. She may get upset and take the boys home.

...or worse. Take it all.

[The Cypriot]

can the 8 TCs that voted for "I'm a T/C and consider all of Cyprus is my motherland" reveal themselves?otherwise we will take it that GCs voted for that choice or anyother for that matter.

We? Is there more than one of you, VP?

What about the two who voted for Turkey as the motherland? Don't you want them to reveal themselves? Are they not equally culpable of undermining the autonomous protectorate in the north?

[denizaksulu]

Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

Well of course, it makes perfect sense...

Greeks <-- Slavs --> Turks

Chiorikittians r included among my Hellenic Cypriot cousins.

Problem is Choirokitians existed about 5,000 years before anything hellenic appeared...

And did those Choirokitians appear from thin air .... or are they from the same branch that flitted back and forth across the Mediterranean at that time of sparse population?

Forget about sailing up and down the Mediterranean in 7 or 8,000BC!!! The first Choirokitians most likely landed on Cyprus on a raft from present day Syria or Lebanon.

In my opinion they evolved from apes of Cyprus, right here in the wild jungles of Cyprus.

Theres no proof of apes, but plenty Pygmy Hippopotami..

[Omer Seyhan]

FOR TURKISH CYPRIOTS ONLY
Which do T/Cs consider as their Motherland , I have always maintained that those T/Cs that I know consider themselves T/Cs but consider all of Cyprus to be their homeland .
Almost 400 years since first arriving in Cyprus , many generations ago. Ancestors buried in every corner of Cyprus , the entire island is theirs just as it is ours , but it can only be theirs and ours if our motherland is Cyprus and not a foreign country.I request that only T/Cs vote.

Miltiades ,
do u know that Turks were living in Cyprus before the Ottomans came to Cyprus ? They were here before 1571 ..... they were living around Larnaka , Evdim and Limassol ... etc .... it was more than 8 settlement area .....

Interesting...

[Omer Seyhan]

Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

Well of course, it makes perfect sense...

Greeks <-- Slavs --> Turks

Chiorikittians r included among my Hellenic Cypriot cousins.

Problem is Choirokitians existed about 5,000 years before anything hellenic appeared...

And did those Choirokitians appear from thin air .... or are they from the same branch that flitted back and forth across the Mediterranean at that time of sparse population?

Forget about sailing up and down the Mediterranean in 7 or 8,000BC!!! The first Choirokitians most likely landed on Cyprus on a raft from present day Syria or Lebanon.

In my opinion they evolved from apes of Cyprus, right here in the wild jungles of Cyprus.

Theres no proof of apes, but plenty Pygmy Hippopotami..

If we go back even further we were all apes...

[denizaksulu]

Forget about sailing up and down the Mediterranean in 7 or 8,000BC!!! The first Choirokitians most likely landed on Cyprus on a raft from present day Syria or Lebanon.

Why forget about sailing? How did all those Polynesian Islands become inhabited, Australia, New Zealand etc ... and even earlier than 8,000BC.

Drifting on a raft is one thing and sailing about at will in 8,000BC is quite another. I can assure you that none of the first settlers of islands worldwide SAILED to it.

Well now you are just splitting hairs. I wasn't asserting they used navigational charts or such like, but they certainly used sea-worthy devices, enough to survive for thousands of miles of open sea, so the Mediterranean would have been a doddle for traversing!

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I don't know if it was just one raft (one family) that started it all or many of them.

Exactly ... because at some point 'the group' would have gotten large enough that a posse would have split off for pastures new. There are only a few major groups in Europe (recent present) and they all came from one major group leaving Africa via Egypt/Lebanon and surrounding areas. So we, the Greeks, the Italians, the Germans etc all came from these feeder populations!

Did not the Greeks invent the TOM TOM too?