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WHICH IS THE T/Cs MOTHERLAND

Poll ended at Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:10 am

I'm a T/C and consider all of Cyprus is my motherland
13
62%
I'm a T/C and consider Turkey to be my motherland
3
14%
I'm a T/C and consider only the North of Cyprus to be my motherland
5
24%
 
Total votes : 21

Postby The Cypriot » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:55 am

Get Real! wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If they originated from Ethiopia then there's really nothing to argue about as it was and remains Greek orthodox.

:wink: So the whole world is Greek!


There's no escape GR! The whole world is Greek apart from the 'TRNC'.
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:59 am

The Cypriot wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If they originated from Ethiopia then there's really nothing to argue about as it was and remains Greek orthodox.

:wink: So the whole world is Greek!


There's no escape GR! The whole world is Greek apart from the 'TRNC'.

:lol: Reminds me of Asterix and his little speck (village) holding out to complete Roman domination...
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Postby insan » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:02 am

In 411 B.C. another Greek Cypriot, Evagoras, established himself as king of Salamis and worked for a united Cyprus that would be closely tied to the Greek states. By force and by guile, the new king brought other Cypriot kingdoms into line and led forces against Persia. He also allied the Cypriots with Athens, and the Athenians honored him with a statue in the agora. As the Salamisian king gained prominence and power in the eastern Mediterranean (even attacking Persian positions in Anatolia), the Persians tried to rid themselves of this threat, and eventually defeated the Cypriots. Through diplomacy Evagoras managed to retain the throne of Salamis, but the carefully nurtured union of the Cypriot kingdoms was dissolved. Although Cyprus remained divided at the end of his thirty-seven-year reign, Evagoras is revered as a Greek Cypriot of uncommon accomplishment. He brought artists and learned men to his court and fostered Greek studies. He was instrumental in having the ancient Cypriot syllabary replaced by the Greek alphabet. He issued coins of Greek design and in general furthered the integration of Greek and Cypriot culture.


History repeats itself in Cyprus since 411 BC? :?

http://country-studies.com/cyprus/ancient-period.html[/code]
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:03 am

Get Real! wrote:
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Get Real! wrote:The first signs of man start in Ethiopia and they then worked their way up the Red sea to populate other areas like I’ve indicated on this map…

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That's exactly what I've said for the major western feeding branch ...

There are only a few major groups in Europe (recent present) and they all came from one major group leaving Africa via Egypt/Lebanon and surrounding areas. So we, the Greeks, the Italians, the Germans etc all came from these feeder populations!


... Out of context here (but for the sake of completion); at around the Egypt point of migration, there is a common ancestor split with one half as you've indicated western-bound, and the other half going east.

Possible if "western-bound" means present day Algeria, Morocco, etc, but I hope you didn't mean Greece! :lol:


Nope GR! ... nobody colonised Greece, ever! :roll: ... All branches of Humanity just kept by-passing it for Cyprus instead. Greece is a recent mythological construct after all!

I'm off to bed .... chased off again by trying to reason with xerokefallous!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:05 am

insan wrote:
In 411 B.C. another Greek Cypriot, Evagoras, established himself as king of Salamis and worked for a united Cyprus that would be closely tied to the Greek states. By force and by guile, the new king brought other Cypriot kingdoms into line and led forces against Persia. He also allied the Cypriots with Athens, and the Athenians honored him with a statue in the agora. As the Salamisian king gained prominence and power in the eastern Mediterranean (even attacking Persian positions in Anatolia), the Persians tried to rid themselves of this threat, and eventually defeated the Cypriots. Through diplomacy Evagoras managed to retain the throne of Salamis, but the carefully nurtured union of the Cypriot kingdoms was dissolved. Although Cyprus remained divided at the end of his thirty-seven-year reign, Evagoras is revered as a Greek Cypriot of uncommon accomplishment. He brought artists and learned men to his court and fostered Greek studies. He was instrumental in having the ancient Cypriot syllabary replaced by the Greek alphabet. He issued coins of Greek design and in general furthered the integration of Greek and Cypriot culture.


History repeats itself in Cyprus since 411 BC? :?

http://country-studies.com/cyprus/ancient-period.html[/code]

All treasonous fools who attempt to unite with anything other than Cyprus alone are doomed to failure given enough time.
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Postby The Cypriot » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:09 am

Get Real! wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:If they originated from Ethiopia then there's really nothing to argue about as it was and remains Greek orthodox.

:wink: So the whole world is Greek!


There's no escape GR! The whole world is Greek apart from the 'TRNC'.

:lol: Reminds me of Asterix and his little speck (village) holding out to complete Roman domination...


That's right... Asterix the Greek wasn't it?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:10 am

Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The first signs of man start in Ethiopia and they then worked their way up the Red sea to populate other areas like I’ve indicated on this map…

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That's exactly what I've said for the major western feeding branch ...

There are only a few major groups in Europe (recent present) and they all came from one major group leaving Africa via Egypt/Lebanon and surrounding areas. So we, the Greeks, the Italians, the Germans etc all came from these feeder populations!


... Out of context here (but for the sake of completion); at around the Egypt point of migration, there is a common ancestor split with one half as you've indicated western-bound, and the other half going east.

Possible if "western-bound" means present day Algeria, Morocco, etc, but I hope you didn't mean Greece! :lol:


Nope GR! ... nobody colonised Greece, ever! :roll: ... All branches of Humanity just kept by-passing it for Cyprus instead. Greece is a recent mythological construct after all!

I'm off to bed .... chased off again by trying to reason with xerokefallous!

You’re in a hurry to populate Greece but there was a HUGE sea to cross so it wasn’t possible back then. Greece was settled MUCH later by land from the top down…
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Postby Oracle » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:21 am

Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Get Real! wrote:The first signs of man start in Ethiopia and they then worked their way up the Red sea to populate other areas like I’ve indicated on this map…

Image


That's exactly what I've said for the major western feeding branch ...

There are only a few major groups in Europe (recent present) and they all came from one major group leaving Africa via Egypt/Lebanon and surrounding areas. So we, the Greeks, the Italians, the Germans etc all came from these feeder populations!


... Out of context here (but for the sake of completion); at around the Egypt point of migration, there is a common ancestor split with one half as you've indicated western-bound, and the other half going east.

Possible if "western-bound" means present day Algeria, Morocco, etc, but I hope you didn't mean Greece! :lol:


Nope GR! ... nobody colonised Greece, ever! :roll: ... All branches of Humanity just kept by-passing it for Cyprus instead. Greece is a recent mythological construct after all!

I'm off to bed .... chased off again by trying to reason with xerokefallous!

You’re in a hurry to populate Greece but there was a HUGE sea to cross so it wasn’t possible back then. Greece was settled MUCH later by land from the top down…


I never said Greece was populated by sea 60,000 years ago when the major branch split took place ... I said the branch split off around/after Egypt, obviously still travelling overland and over several thousand more years, with people colonising all that coastline across Lebanon, Asia Minor, then into Greece via Thrace (for some) with splinter groups diversifying along different paths all the while .... and at any various temporal/spatial points, some took to rafts also, probably 20-40,000 years ago!
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 2:52 am

From National Geographic’s Genographic Project…

ATLAS OF HUMAN JOURNEY

https://genographic.nationalgeographic. ... atlas.html
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Postby Piratis » Wed Apr 15, 2009 3:22 am

Get Real! wrote:From National Geographic’s Genographic Project…

ATLAS OF HUMAN JOURNEY

https://genographic.nationalgeographic. ... atlas.html


Much better than the one you drew before ;)

This map clearly shows that first human settlements in mainland Greece back from around 50.000 BC.

And Archeological findings support this:
http://www.fhw.gr/chronos/01/en/pl/hous ... nchfr.html

On the other hand, Cyprus, being an island, was uninhabited back then. The first human settlements in Cyprus were at around 10.000BC.

In Cyprus we have our prehistoric people just like they have them everywhere. Do you hear any French people say that they are not French because in what is now France at some point was inhabited by some prehistoric people? Even the Turks who live on land that not just prehistoric people, but whole empires and civilizations existed, and they still call themselves Turks, not Greeks, Byzantines, or Hittite.

All ethnic groups were created in the last few thousands years, while the human species has existed for many 10s of thousands of years. So stop confusing the two.
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