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WHICH IS THE T/Cs MOTHERLAND

Poll ended at Tue Apr 21, 2009 9:10 am

I'm a T/C and consider all of Cyprus is my motherland
13
62%
I'm a T/C and consider Turkey to be my motherland
3
14%
I'm a T/C and consider only the North of Cyprus to be my motherland
5
24%
 
Total votes : 21

Postby insan » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:38 pm

Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

Well of course, it makes perfect sense...

Greeks <-- Slavs --> Turks


Chiorikittians r included among my Hellenic Cypriot cousins.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Apr 14, 2009 5:48 pm

insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Apr 14, 2009 6:17 pm

miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .


Thats easy for a GC to say when trying to entice TCs into a GC state run by GCs. Tcs can have that today why arent they all living south of the border?
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 14, 2009 7:54 pm

miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:34 pm

insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.

I do not agree with your "vast majority" statement. Certainly it does not strike me as "vast" from the many G/Cs that I know and talk politics with. It appears to me to be a minority, however what is apparent is that they , the G/Cs consider that a numerically much smaller community must not and can not make demands on the overwhelming majority that are un proportional to their numerical position. I have stated many times that I do not consider the T/Cs to be a minority but I do consider those "Cypriots" whose allegiance is to a foreign nation to be a minority.
Lets us be realistic , do you ever think that Turkey would accept a situation where the 20% Kurdish minority has a 50% judicial and administrative authority in Turkey , the answer o f course is an emphatic NO.
The T/Cs whose motherland is Cyprus are not a minority but those that look to Turkey and demand that a part of our nation is gifted to Turkey are not only a minority but if I may say so an unwelcome minority.
Cyprus is the nation of all Cypriots, Kikapu , Birkibrisly and many many many more can not be considered as wrong in their views.
You have witnessed my personal challenges with those G/Cs who are in denial of the statehood of Cyprus , I will and have many times challenged T/Cs who feel that a part of our island somehow belongs to Turkey !!!
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 14, 2009 8:54 pm

miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.



miltiades wrote:Lets us be realistic , do you ever think that Turkey would accept a situation where the 20% Kurdish minority has a 50% judicial and administrative authority in Turkey , the answer o f course is an emphatic NO.


Milti, almost more than half of the Turkish parliament consist of Kurdish origin Turks. Even one of the most famous PM and president of Turkey was a Kurdish origin Turkish citizen Turgut Ozal. Kurds of Turkey and Turks of Cyprus r not compareable by any means. Overwhelming majority of Turks and Kurds of Turkey had already religiously, lingually, politically and culturally integrated long before foundation of Turkey. Seperatist Kurds r from neighbouring countries. They demand soil from 4 different countries. Yet again problem of the seperatist Kurds is not compareable with the problem of TCs.

Expecting TCs to accept minority status in Cyprus is just an utopic dream and waste of our times. Especially for refugees it's a big pain.
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Postby miltiades » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:01 pm

insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.



miltiades wrote:Lets us be realistic , do you ever think that Turkey would accept a situation where the 20% Kurdish minority has a 50% judicial and administrative authority in Turkey , the answer o f course is an emphatic NO.


Milti, almost more than half of the Turkish parliament consist of Kurdish origin Turks. Even one of the most famous PM and president of Turkey was a Kurdish origin Turkish citizen Turgut Ozal. Kurds of Turkey and Turks of Cyprus r not compareable by any means. Overwhelming majority of Turks and Kurds of Turkey had already religiously, lingually, politically and culturally integrated long before foundation of Turkey. Seperatist Kurds r from neighbouring countries. They demand soil from 4 different countries. Yet again problem of the seperatist Kurds is not compareable with the problem of TCs.

Expecting TCs to accept minority status in Cyprus is just an utopic dream and waste of our times. Especially for refugees it's a big pain.

Insan are you telling me that more than HALF of Turkish Parliament is made up of Kurds ?
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Postby Viewpoint » Tue Apr 14, 2009 10:02 pm

miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.

I do not agree with your "vast majority" statement. Certainly it does not strike me as "vast" from the many G/Cs that I know and talk politics with. It appears to me to be a minority, however what is apparent is that they , the G/Cs consider that a numerically much smaller community must not and can not make demands on the overwhelming majority that are un proportional to their numerical position. I have stated many times that I do not consider the T/Cs to be a minority but I do consider those "Cypriots" whose allegiance is to a foreign nation to be a minority.
Lets us be realistic , do you ever think that Turkey would accept a situation where the 20% Kurdish minority has a 50% judicial and administrative authority in Turkey , the answer o f course is an emphatic NO.
The T/Cs whose motherland is Cyprus are not a minority but those that look to Turkey and demand that a part of our nation is gifted to Turkey are not only a minority but if I may say so an unwelcome minority.
Cyprus is the nation of all Cypriots, Kikapu , Birkibrisly and many many many more can not be considered as wrong in their views.
You have witnessed my personal challenges with those G/Cs who are in denial of the statehood of Cyprus , I will and have many times challenged T/Cs who feel that a part of our island somehow belongs to Turkey !!!


You are ignorantly trying to lead TCs into a dangerous situation of a minority in a hostile and racists GC state monpolized by GCs. What will you do when you see TCs being discriminated against for your grandchild to get the job just because he is a GC and the better qualified TCs losing out everytime. Will you be waiting with TCS in the corridors of the ECHR for 5 to 10 years to get their rights restored or to hightlight the discrmination and domination carried out by GCs?
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 14, 2009 11:34 pm

miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:
miltiades wrote:
insan wrote:I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

No Cypriot is a minority in his own country Insan .



Milti, vast majority of GCs consider TCs just like the Turks in Greece. As long as vast majority of GCs bear such mentality TCs will insist on having half of the legislative and judicial powers of a united Cyprus and if not accepted by GCs we will keep struggling for 2 seperate states.



miltiades wrote:Lets us be realistic , do you ever think that Turkey would accept a situation where the 20% Kurdish minority has a 50% judicial and administrative authority in Turkey , the answer o f course is an emphatic NO.


Milti, almost more than half of the Turkish parliament consist of Kurdish origin Turks. Even one of the most famous PM and president of Turkey was a Kurdish origin Turkish citizen Turgut Ozal. Kurds of Turkey and Turks of Cyprus r not compareable by any means. Overwhelming majority of Turks and Kurds of Turkey had already religiously, lingually, politically and culturally integrated long before foundation of Turkey. Seperatist Kurds r from neighbouring countries. They demand soil from 4 different countries. Yet again problem of the seperatist Kurds is not compareable with the problem of TCs.

Expecting TCs to accept minority status in Cyprus is just an utopic dream and waste of our times. Especially for refugees it's a big pain.

Insan are you telling me that more than HALF of Turkish Parliament is made up of Kurds ?


Only in AKP there r 75 Kurdish origin, Turkish citizens; member of Turkish parliament. If they were not happy they could choose the pure Kurdish Democratic Society Party (DTP).
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 12:03 am

insan wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
insan wrote:Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

Well of course, it makes perfect sense...

Greeks <-- Slavs --> Turks


Chiorikittians r included among my Hellenic Cypriot cousins.

Problem is Choirokitians existed about 5,000 years before anything hellenic appeared...
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