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[Viewpoint]

here we go again, just answer this simple question do you see the TCs as an equal community to your own?

[denizaksulu]

U r skipping the fact that Cyprus was under Turkish rule and unilaterally ceded to UK by Brits. GCs were inhabitants of Cyprus when Turks came.

So Cyprus was a Turkish Ottoman colony? Do you know how many colonies the British Empire had? Or what about other European empires over the last few hundred years? How about the Byzantines Empire? Do you think all the countries that have had empires in the past should lay claim to their former colonies?

Greek Cypriots were the islands indigenous majority when the Turks came.

Our situation has nothing to do with minorities living all around the world. TCs have never been a minority in Cyprus. 2 main communities of Cyprus have always been TCs and GCs afterwards Ottoman rule.

Insan stop messing with words. You've gone from using the term 'two communities' to '2 main communities'...and you complain that Greek Cypriots are taking advantage of its numerical status. Besides, history didnt start with the Ottoman Empire so why are you only refering to after Ottoman rule??

Everytime a new member joins this forum, the wheels go round and round. Arguments repeat itself.

As Insan said, there was the problem of two communities on the island (the major ones), one wanted Enosis and the other did not. Those that wanted Enosis did not give a piastre for what the other wanted. But that was in the past. We are here now, where do we go from here? Thats is the question. We cant turn history back. We are all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, lets move on.

[Dr J]

Everytime a new member joins this forum, the wheels go round and round. Arguments repeat itself.

As Insan said, there was the problem of two communities on the island (the major ones), one wanted Enosis and the other did not. Those that wanted Enosis did not give a piastre for what the other wanted. But that was in the past. We are here now, where do we go from here? Thats is the question. We cant turn history back. We are all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, lets move on. Rolling Eyes

With all due respect, what gives you the right to disregard Armenian and Maronite Cypriots as a main community, when their combined numbers represent the same ratio to the Turkish Cypriot community, as the Turkish Cypriot community does to the Greek Cypriot community.

End of the day, if Greek Cypriots make up 80% odd of the islands population, and Turkish Cypriot about 18%, id say there is only one 'main community' and the others minority (if we are going to start talking about main communities). The numbers are there to see.

The only way we can move on is to have a single unified state, where each person has the same democratic rights as another, disregarding their ethnicity. Otherwise, the problems from the past will crop up once again.

[Viewpoint]

Everytime a new member joins this forum, the wheels go round and round. Arguments repeat itself.

As Insan said, there was the problem of two communities on the island (the major ones), one wanted Enosis and the other did not. Those that wanted Enosis did not give a piastre for what the other wanted. But that was in the past. We are here now, where do we go from here? Thats is the question. We cant turn history back. We are all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, lets move on. Rolling Eyes

With all due respect, what gives you the right to disregard Armenian and Maronite Cypriots as a main community, when their combined numbers represent the same ratio to the Turkish Cypriot community, as the Turkish Cypriot community does to the Greek Cypriot community.

End of the day, if Greek Cypriots make up 80% odd of the islands population, and Turkish Cypriot about 18%, id say there is only one 'main community' and the others minority (if we are going to start talking about main communities). The numbers are there to see.

The only way we can move on is to have a single unified state, where each person has the same democratic rights as another, disregarding their ethnicity. Otherwise, the problems from the past will crop up once again.

They threw their lot in with you guys..

[denizaksulu]

Everytime a new member joins this forum, the wheels go round and round. Arguments repeat itself.

As Insan said, there was the problem of two communities on the island (the major ones), one wanted Enosis and the other did not. Those that wanted Enosis did not give a piastre for what the other wanted. But that was in the past. We are here now, where do we go from here? Thats is the question. We cant turn history back. We are all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, lets move on. Rolling Eyes

With all due respect, what gives you the right to disregard Armenian and Maronite Cypriots as a main community, when their combined numbers represent the same ratio to the Turkish Cypriot community, as the Turkish Cypriot community does to the Greek Cypriot community.

End of the day, if Greek Cypriots make up 80% odd of the islands population, and Turkish Cypriot about 18%, id say there is only one 'main community' and the others minority (if we are going to start talking about main communities). The numbers are there to see.

The only way we can move on is to have a single unified state, where each person has the same democratic rights as another, disregarding their ethnicity. Otherwise, the problems from the past will crop up once again.

My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.

[Viewpoint]

Everytime a new member joins this forum, the wheels go round and round. Arguments repeat itself.

As Insan said, there was the problem of two communities on the island (the major ones), one wanted Enosis and the other did not. Those that wanted Enosis did not give a piastre for what the other wanted. But that was in the past. We are here now, where do we go from here? Thats is the question. We cant turn history back. We are all Cypriots, whether Greek or Turkish, lets move on. Rolling Eyes

With all due respect, what gives you the right to disregard Armenian and Maronite Cypriots as a main community, when their combined numbers represent the same ratio to the Turkish Cypriot community, as the Turkish Cypriot community does to the Greek Cypriot community.

End of the day, if Greek Cypriots make up 80% odd of the islands population, and Turkish Cypriot about 18%, id say there is only one 'main community' and the others minority (if we are going to start talking about main communities). The numbers are there to see.

The only way we can move on is to have a single unified state, where each person has the same democratic rights as another, disregarding their ethnicity. Otherwise, the problems from the past will crop up once again.

How will you guarantee the security of TCs and GCs? how will guarantee that bills are not passed that will effect one side negatively? how will you guarantee the GCs do not use the numerical advanatge to discrminate and ensure TCs never get a look in? how do you propose to get the TCs to place their future in the hands of the GCs??

[Dr J]

They threw their lot in with you guys..

If you bothered to ask them, you'll realise that many will tell you they are not Greek Cypriot but Maronite or Armenian. The other issue is that many Turkish Cypriots dont even know that their is an Armenian community in Cyprus or who Maronites are...and this is coming from first hand experience from talking to them.

My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.

Im sorry but you disregarded Armenians and Maronites as major Cypriot communities. I simply made a point that the ratio of Armenian and Maronite Cypriots combined to Turkish Cypriots, is the same ratio as Turkish Cypriots to Greek Cypriots.

This is not specifically addressed to you Deniz but Turkish Cypriots cant have it both ways. You cant on one hand say that population numbers dont matter and Turkish Cypriots should have a guaranteed equal numerical representation in a future parliament....and THEN say Maronites and Armenians are a minority because of the size of their community (which happens to be smaller than the Turkish Cypriots'). Thats blatent double standards.

How will you guarantee the security of TCs and GCs? how will guarantee that bills are not passed that will effect one side negatively? how will you guarantee the GCs do not use the numerical advanatge to discrminate and ensure TCs never get a look in? how do you propose to get the TCs to place their future in the hands of the GCs??

Such questions can be asked of any modern multi-cultural country. These are ifs and but scenarios used to push the segregation of the island.

So what are you saying VP, are you worried that Turkish Cypriots might get treated the same way the Turks treat minorities in Turkey??

[bill cobbett]

They threw their lot in with you guys..

If you bothered to ask them, you'll realise that many will tell you they are not Greek Cypriot but Maronite or Armenian. The other issue is that many Turkish Cypriots dont even know that their is an Armenian community in Cyprus or who Maronites are...and this is coming from first hand experience from talking to them.

My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.

Im sorry but you disregarded Armenians and Maronites as major Cypriot communities. I simply made a point that the ratio of Armenian and Maronite Cypriots combined to Turkish Cypriots, is the same ratio as Turkish Cypriots to Greek Cypriots.

This is not specifically addressed to you Deniz but Turkish Cypriots cant have it both ways. You cant on one hand say that population numbers dont matter and Turkish Cypriots should have a guaranteed equal numerical representation in a future parliament....and THEN say Maronites and Armenians are a minority because of the size of their community (which happens to be smaller than the Turkish Cypriots'). Thats blatent double standards.

How will you guarantee the security of TCs and GCs? how will guarantee that bills are not passed that will effect one side negatively? how will you guarantee the GCs do not use the numerical advanatge to discrminate and ensure TCs never get a look in? how do you propose to get the TCs to place their future in the hands of the GCs??

Such questions can be asked of any modern multi-cultural country. These are ifs and but scenarios used to push the segregation of the island.

So what are you saying VP, are you worried that Turkish Cypriots might get treated the same way the Turks treat minorities in Turkey??

You said it Dr J - double standards - anything to justify priveleges unheard of in the rest of Europe, to promote Jurkish interests and to hang on to the spoils of war.

[YFred]

They threw their lot in with you guys..

If you bothered to ask them, you'll realise that many will tell you they are not Greek Cypriot but Maronite or Armenian. The other issue is that many Turkish Cypriots dont even know that their is an Armenian community in Cyprus or who Maronites are...and this is coming from first hand experience from talking to them.

My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.

Im sorry but you disregarded Armenians and Maronites as major Cypriot communities. I simply made a point that the ratio of Armenian and Maronite Cypriots combined to Turkish Cypriots, is the same ratio as Turkish Cypriots to Greek Cypriots.

This is not specifically addressed to you Deniz but Turkish Cypriots cant have it both ways. You cant on one hand say that population numbers dont matter and Turkish Cypriots should have a guaranteed equal numerical representation in a future parliament....and THEN say Maronites and Armenians are a minority because of the size of their community (which happens to be smaller than the Turkish Cypriots'). Thats blatent double standards.

How will you guarantee the security of TCs and GCs? how will guarantee that bills are not passed that will effect one side negatively? how will you guarantee the GCs do not use the numerical advanatge to discrminate and ensure TCs never get a look in? how do you propose to get the TCs to place their future in the hands of the GCs??

Such questions can be asked of any modern multi-cultural country. These are ifs and but scenarios used to push the segregation of the island.

So what are you saying VP, are you worried that Turkish Cypriots might get treated the same way the Turks treat minorities in Turkey??

You said it Dr J - double standards - anything to justify priveleges unheard of in the rest of Europe, to promote Jurkish interests and to hang on to the spoils of war.

Double Standards dear boy, you don't give a shit about 30% of the population but you care so much for 3 %.
Please play another tune, this record is stuck.

[insan]

They threw their lot in with you guys..

If you bothered to ask them, you'll realise that many will tell you they are not Greek Cypriot but Maronite or Armenian. The other issue is that many Turkish Cypriots dont even know that their is an Armenian community in Cyprus or who Maronites are...and this is coming from first hand experience from talking to them.

My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.My omission was not intentional. Did you notice the parentheses. (bracket to you) I have had the pleasure of lving with them in Nicosia. Get off your high horse.

You need to do a lot of reading of past posts my friend.

Im sorry but you disregarded Armenians and Maronites as major Cypriot communities. I simply made a point that the ratio of Armenian and Maronite Cypriots combined to Turkish Cypriots, is the same ratio as Turkish Cypriots to Greek Cypriots.

This is not specifically addressed to you Deniz but Turkish Cypriots cant have it both ways. You cant on one hand say that population numbers dont matter and Turkish Cypriots should have a guaranteed equal numerical representation in a future parliament....and THEN say Maronites and Armenians are a minority because of the size of their community (which happens to be smaller than the Turkish Cypriots'). Thats blatent double standards.

How will you guarantee the security of TCs and GCs? how will guarantee that bills are not passed that will effect one side negatively? how will you guarantee the GCs do not use the numerical advanatge to discrminate and ensure TCs never get a look in? how do you propose to get the TCs to place their future in the hands of the GCs??

Such questions can be asked of any modern multi-cultural country. These are ifs and but scenarios used to push the segregation of the island.

So what are you saying VP, are you worried that Turkish Cypriots might get treated the same way the Turks treat minorities in Turkey??

You said it Dr J - double standards - anything to justify priveleges unheard of in the rest of Europe, to promote Jurkish interests and to hang on to the spoils of war.

As if there's any other place in Europe have same or similar historical background like TCs, GCs, Turks and Greeks have. Everything has a meaning in it's own, unique circumstances. "Her sakallı, deden deyildir ya." "Don't reckon every bearded, old man ur grand dad."

TCs and Turkey don't ask privileages or double-standards. We ask a feasible solution based on our unique historical background and realities. There r unique local, regional and global elements of Cyprus problem that requires a unique solution to be found. Even federalism, confederalism etc hadn't been heard until they first time appeared on planet earth. Talking how it fits u and ignoring the facts only helps to amuse u and ur alikes. That's all.