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[Vuryek]

It doesn"t matter if the poll is made by GC or TC. Anyway I have a very practical answer. My mother and her family are from Baphos and my father and his family are from Nicosia. I think that easily gives me right to say my motherland is Cyprus. I don't think I have to add that I my father found our family records since Venicians and already my surname was Venician but it changed after 74 `politely` and become a Turkish surname (like most other `Turkish` Cypriot)

Halil, Yorgancioglu is neither a historian nor an academits. He is a well paid `nationalist` author and his historical references are mostly Turkish historians, which means what we wrote hasn't got a value as a historical information. (It is not polite to say all of them are lie or wrong but he is aware of that and if you have chance to talk with him, act like you know the real history and oppose his book, then you will see what happens)

Anyway if you are looking for good books, there is a book Kibris'ta Osmanlilar from a Cypriot History Proffosor, you can also check same information with Cyprus history book set of Hashmet Muzaffer Gurkan (the only problem is thi set is not chronologic)

Turkishness is another paradox, so dont mix it up with ottoman. Ottoman was not Turkish neither its authorities nor its people. Its native and official languages were Arabic and Persian. The `Turkish` language which they `used` in Ottoman time has no similarity with what they and us using now. The moden Turkish has came with Mustafa Kemal, it is a very young and raw language and a institude in Turkey (Turk Dil Kurumu) still responsible to create new words and we cannot say they were successfull so far (ex: oturgaçlı götürgeç = means bus)

The reason why we are using 'Turkish` and why they are using `Turkish` is completely different. I hope I will have time to explain it soon.

[The Cypriot]

So? Polls exclusively done for TC's so that GC's can prove a point to some other GC's is clever in your opinion?

The first one wasn't clever at all and was done entirely for the reason you suggest.

This one, at least, has the merit of attempting to garner something meaningful. Although, clearly it's a reaction to the first.

Had it not been for the first poll, I don't think you'd be condemning the second.

But, nevertheless, I take your point. Two polls of this nature, in quick succession, by one 'side', exclusively for the other, is regrettable.

[halil]

Vulyurek ,

book does not says they were from Ottoman time . It says from Arab occupation time they were brought up to Cyprus as a skilled man , looking for army needs ..... During that time they were settle in Cyprus and he claims those peoples remains are still in Cyprus now . I don't care what the people are supports (nationalist or anti nationalist ) Writer gaves this information from the book writen down by GC's writer . I can't remember his name but i read his article ... very lately i heard same words from the radio program ... program subject was about Turkish Cypriots accent and words also about Turkish Cypriots Turkish .Mustafa Gökçeguş was also in that program .

[miltiades]

In 7 days time we shall at least be able to examine the results of this poll , if anything we may be in a position to indicate to VP that apart from his own interpretation of the needs of T/Cs there are other T/C opinions. To VP the ONLY Cyprus is the North since he considers the rest of Cyprus as totally foreign such as any other nation. This of course is nonsense , a very large percentage of indigenous to Cyprus T/Cs do embrace the whole island as their homeland , I know for a fact that many T/Cs living in the diaspora do have as a last wish to be buried in their homeland Cyprus.

[Vuryek]

Vulyurek ,

book does not says they were from Ottoman time . It says from Arab occupation time they were brought up to Cyprus as a skilled man , looking for army needs ..... During that time they were settle in Cyprus and he claims those peoples remains are still in Cyprus now . I don't care what the people are supports (nationalist or anti nationalist ) Writer gaves this information from the book writen down by GC's writer . I can't remember his name but i read his article ... very lately i heard same words from the radio program ... program subject was about Turkish Cypriots accent and words also about Turkish Cypriots Turkish .Mustafa Gökçeguş was also in that program .

Halil
What I wanted to say was, Yorgancioglu is a very bad source (and actually he is not a source) I don't remember any Greek author reference in his book, maybe because of I read that book years ago and I have to check it again. What I know is during Arap waves, some muslim population might be accomodated in Cyprus and have converted to 'Turkish' in time. However it was impossible for Arap waves to carry Turkish Etnic to Cyprus because during that time anchestors of Turks were mostly outside of Anatolia and they were in war with Arab waves. which brings another question for Turkish history (Türkler islamı kitleler halinde kabul etti )... really? I understand if this also doen't matter for you. I am a bit obsessed with every lie which day tought us as a "history", sorry about that.

What I say is statuque has tried many ways to find a solution to "Turkishness" history in Cyprus, to make it unquestionable. For example Books of Nazım Beratlı were another try like Yorgancıoğlu. He tried to distord history, Ottoman time settlers as Tımarlı Sipahi (middle asian and eastern rooted soldiers) instead of Yeniçeri (non muslim children which are kidnapped after wars with Balkans and Europe) which makes big difference. However you cannot find any source in world who says that the Ottoman time settlers were Tımarlı Sipahi. That why Nazım Beratlı still refuses to publish his books again. He is abit embarassed with his lies

[halil]

Vulyurek ,

book does not says they were from Ottoman time . It says from Arab occupation time they were brought up to Cyprus as a skilled man , looking for army needs ..... During that time they were settle in Cyprus and he claims those peoples remains are still in Cyprus now . I don't care what the people are supports (nationalist or anti nationalist ) Writer gaves this information from the book writen down by GC's writer . I can't remember his name but i read his article ... very lately i heard same words from the radio program ... program subject was about Turkish Cypriots accent and words also about Turkish Cypriots Turkish .Mustafa Gökçeguş was also in that program .

Halil
What I wanted to say was, Yorgancioglu is a very bad source (and actually he is not a source) I don't remember any Greek author reference in his book, maybe because of I read that book years ago and I have to check it again. What I know is during Arap waves, some muslim population might be accomodated in Cyprus and have converted to 'Turkish' in time. However it was impossible for Arap waves to carry Turkish Etnic to Cyprus because during that time anchestors of Turks were mostly outside of Anatolia and they were in war with Arab waves. which brings another question for Turkish history (Türkler islamı kitleler halinde kabul etti )... really? I understand if this also doen't matter for you. I am a bit obsessed with every lie which day tought us as a "history", sorry about that.

What I say is statuque has tried many ways to find a solution to "Turkishness" history in Cyprus, to make it unquestionable. For example Books of Nazım Beratlı were another try like Yorgancıoğlu. He tried to distord history, Ottoman time settlers as Tımarlı Sipahi (middle asian and eastern rooted soldiers) instead of Yeniçeri (non muslim children which are kidnapped after wars with Balkans and Europe) which makes big difference. However you cannot find any source in world who says that the Ottoman time settlers were Tımarlı Sipahi. That why Nazım Beratlı still refuses to publish his books again. He is abit embarassed with his lies

May be they were Memlüks .... Some member of the Memlüks were Turkish. I am not historian Vuryek that i can say they are wrong . he was given the GC historian name and he was saying he was quoting settlement places from his book .İf there wasn't any how can u give reference the writer name .Don't tell me that he was fabricated the writer name too .

[insan]

I voted for a)

This does not mean I trust GCs more than Turks neither it means I accept minority status in my motherland. Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

[Get Real!]

Turks r my bros, Hellenes r my cousins.

Well of course, it makes perfect sense...

Greeks <-- Slavs --> Turks

[denizaksulu]

another TC poll by a GC?

Its catching isnt it DT? Somethings brewing methinks. Perhaps Milti is trying to upset Oracle again.

I am a TC and Cyprus is my motherland. Not only from 1571, perhaps even from before then. Perhaps I share a common Khiroikitian ancestry with the uncouth GR. What bad luck.

[The Cypriot]

The results, so far, are very encouraging.