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[YFred]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

The question was not whether the TC's see the "GC south Cyprus" as their homeland, but whether the whole of Cyprus is our home land, and the majority are giving a resounding YES.

Miltiades, watch out for VP for re-wording your poll just to slide one past you with a little propaganda there.!

Kiks, you can't go around changing the wording and assuming that the results would be the same. I'll do a new one.

[bigOz]

I wander who gave the 12th vote???

[Viewpoint]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

Why dont these Tcs talk for themselves and expalin to us how they see the Gc south as their country???? you will be suprised at what they have to say...

[Viewpoint]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

It would have been interesting to know the ages of the two groups. Whether those born under the Northern Admin voted different from those born before '74; or are they originating from the south, as I do. I suppose it will remain a secret.

Now its time for yet another poll Milti. You can ask your compatriots of the Orthodox faith whether they would like to live in a unitary state or as separate entities (separate zones/federal) ? Make the classifications meaningful.

deniz can you tell us why you voted that the GC south is your country?

[denizaksulu]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

It would have been interesting to know the ages of the two groups. Whether those born under the Northern Admin voted different from those born before '74; or are they originating from the south, as I do. I suppose it will remain a secret.

Now its time for yet another poll Milti. You can ask your compatriots of the Orthodox faith whether they would like to live in a unitary state or as separate entities (separate zones/federal) ? Make the classifications meaningful.

deniz can you tell us why you voted that the GC south is your country?

The GC South (whatever that is) is NOT my home. My home is the Island of Cyprus. I was brought up in my village in the district of Larnaca. My ancestors are buried in my village cemetery. Why should I not call Cyprus my home/my country. My home country is indivisible.......

I dont see why others have to explain themselves, but lets see.

[insan]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

It would have been interesting to know the ages of the two groups. Whether those born under the Northern Admin voted different from those born before '74; or are they originating from the south, as I do. I suppose it will remain a secret.

Now its time for yet another poll Milti. You can ask your compatriots of the Orthodox faith whether they would like to live in a unitary state or as separate entities (separate zones/federal) ? Make the classifications meaningful.

deniz can you tell us why you voted that the GC south is your country?

The GC South (whatever that is) is NOT my home. My home is the Island of Cyprus. I was brought up in my village in the district of Larnaca. My ancestors are buried in my village cemetery. Why should I not call Cyprus my home/my country. My home country is indivisible.......

I dont see why others have to explain themselves, but lets see.

I was born in Lefkoşa in 1968 but my mom had to have me registered to Larnaca/Alaminos Office of.. under the then circumstance while my dad was studying in Istanbul. My homeland is Cyprus. Be it united or 2 seperate states, it does not matter.

[YFred]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

It would have been interesting to know the ages of the two groups. Whether those born under the Northern Admin voted different from those born before '74; or are they originating from the south, as I do. I suppose it will remain a secret.

Now its time for yet another poll Milti. You can ask your compatriots of the Orthodox faith whether they would like to live in a unitary state or as separate entities (separate zones/federal) ? Make the classifications meaningful.

deniz can you tell us why you voted that the GC south is your country?

The GC South (whatever that is) is NOT my home. My home is the Island of Cyprus. I was brought up in my village in the district of Larnaca. My ancestors are buried in my village cemetery. Why should I not call Cyprus my home/my country. My home country is indivisible.......

I dont see why others have to explain themselves, but lets see.

Which ever the federal structure is agreed in the end, Cyprus is one country and just because you reside in the south or the north, it makes no difference, it is all one country. You may have your own police force and the army and even own tax collection, it is still one country.

[miltiades]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

Z4 , Cem , YFred , Deniz , Iceman , Vuryek , Insan , TC as well well as Halil and Kikapu who have not voted , all T/Cs , have told us that they are indeed T/Cs and consider ALL of Cyprus to be their beloved homeland. I dont see what is extraordinary about this !! Their parents , grandparents and beyond were born , raised , lived and buried in our Cyprus why on earth should they or anyone else for that matter feel otherwise.
VP , you are in the minority , I know more about my T/C compatriots than you will ever know , you see I lived amongst them , shared sleeping quarters as a child and grew up having not one iota of enmity for them , they were my little mates that I played with , shared my happy moments with and my sad ones . Growing older we all were adversely indoctrinated by nationalistic malicious powers that implanted the seeds of hatred for our brothers and sisters , hatred that led to the tragedy that enveloped our entire island and caused so much pain and suffering to our people.

Why dont these Tcs talk for themselves and expalin to us how they see the Gc south as their country???? you will be suprised at what they have to say...

May I refer VP to the exact wording of option A .
I do not , and neither did those who voted , saw the words GC South .
As far as the exclamation marks ???? May I ask you VP what are you questioning , is it the fact that most of the T/Cs on this forum consider , and rightly so , that the land of their forefathers going back many generations is the entire island of Cyprus which they naturally consider as their homeland ????
VP , you were WRONG all along , do you recall how many times you told me I was dreaming and that most T/Cs consider ONLY the North as being their country and the rest as a foreign country ? WRONG !

[miltiades]

I wander who gave the 12th vote???

I think it was you !!!

[Kikapu]

We are no nearer to a solution today than we have even been, the differences increase and the chasm gets wider. Still a considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs.

Take a look at the results of the poll VP , a straightforward question .Do take into account that two T/Cs have posted their preference without casting their vote. I should think that the overwhelming majority of T/Cs do feel that the whole island is their homeland . I can say that this poll conclusively signals that the vast majority do not share your views .
As for your statement that " considerable number do not see the GC south as theirs " may I refer you to the results so far of the poll.

Dont get to excited miltiades its still remains that a considerable percentage do not reagard any part of the GC south Cyprus as theirs. there are a number of Tcs who have not voted and have not been around for a while zan being one.

The question was not whether the TC's see the "GC south Cyprus" as their homeland, but whether the whole of Cyprus is our home land, and the majority are giving a resounding YES.

Miltiades, watch out for VP for re-wording your poll just to slide one past you with a little propaganda there.!

The sly old fox never misses a thing.

I have dealt with Right Wing propaganda most of my life in the States, Deniz.!

In comparison, VP is at the very bottom of the "propaganda ladder" to get anything pass me.!