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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:29 pm

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Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.


Even an unsentative person as yourself can understand that these people did not contirbute to the troubles of Cyprus, they were promised a better life and came to Cyprus marrying having children and even grandchildren, if you abide by the EU norms you have put your names to you cannot deport those who have been here more that 10 years. look at it from this viewpoint would you also be deporting the Pontian Greeks?


Pontian Greeks are Greek and EU citizens free to move anywhere in EU they like. They are here legally and we can not deport EU citizens from Cyprus. But if you find a way to deport the Pontians then I can tell you that not many GCs will object ;) And if your settlers came to Cyprus because they were promised a better life then promise them a better life in Turkey so they will move back. Or are we supposed not only to feed you but also feed your settlers and give to them a better life than what they can get in their own crap country which is good for nothing except crimes? Maybe Turkey should invest more money to provide higher standards of living to her citizens instead of than buying weapons to make invasions and commit crimes?


You are again showing your sensative side, pontians came to Cyprus way before you had anything to do with the EU so save that for others. the issue there is if we had no right to give these people citizenship then neither did you as we were not consulted, if we are to impose deportation laws then they should be blanket and cover all those both north and south.
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Postby Sotos » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:35 pm

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Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.


Even an unsentative person as yourself can understand that these people did not contirbute to the troubles of Cyprus, they were promised a better life and came to Cyprus marrying having children and even grandchildren, if you abide by the EU norms you have put your names to you cannot deport those who have been here more that 10 years. look at it from this viewpoint would you also be deporting the Pontian Greeks?


Pontian Greeks are Greek and EU citizens free to move anywhere in EU they like. They are here legally and we can not deport EU citizens from Cyprus. But if you find a way to deport the Pontians then I can tell you that not many GCs will object ;) And if your settlers came to Cyprus because they were promised a better life then promise them a better life in Turkey so they will move back. Or are we supposed not only to feed you but also feed your settlers and give to them a better life than what they can get in their own crap country which is good for nothing except crimes? Maybe Turkey should invest more money to provide higher standards of living to her citizens instead of than buying weapons to make invasions and commit crimes?


You are again showing your sensative side, pontians came to Cyprus way before you had anything to do with the EU so save that for others. the issue there is if we had no right to give these people citizenship then neither did you as we were not consulted, if we are to impose deportation laws then they should be blanket and cover all those both north and south.


We didn't give any citizenship to Pontians :roll: And you didn't give any citizenship to anybody. What you give worth as much as the toilet paper that you wipe your ass. The only one who can give citizenship or residence permit is Republic of Cyprus.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:39 pm

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Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.


Even an unsentative person as yourself can understand that these people did not contirbute to the troubles of Cyprus, they were promised a better life and came to Cyprus marrying having children and even grandchildren, if you abide by the EU norms you have put your names to you cannot deport those who have been here more that 10 years. look at it from this viewpoint would you also be deporting the Pontian Greeks?


Pontian Greeks are Greek and EU citizens free to move anywhere in EU they like. They are here legally and we can not deport EU citizens from Cyprus. But if you find a way to deport the Pontians then I can tell you that not many GCs will object ;) And if your settlers came to Cyprus because they were promised a better life then promise them a better life in Turkey so they will move back. Or are we supposed not only to feed you but also feed your settlers and give to them a better life than what they can get in their own crap country which is good for nothing except crimes? Maybe Turkey should invest more money to provide higher standards of living to her citizens instead of than buying weapons to make invasions and commit crimes?


You are again showing your sensative side, pontians came to Cyprus way before you had anything to do with the EU so save that for others. the issue there is if we had no right to give these people citizenship then neither did you as we were not consulted, if we are to impose deportation laws then they should be blanket and cover all those both north and south.


We didn't give any citizenship to Pontians :roll: And you didn't give any citizenship to anybody. What you give worth as much as the toilet paper that you wipe your ass. The only one who can give citizenship or residence permit is Republic of Cyprus.


Then you will be shocked when your leader accepts the residency/citizenship of 35-45.000 settlers. The "RoC" has been hijacked and you have no right to make decisions like citizenship without our OK, so if you insist they all go back then you will also have to send all those you GCs solely granted citizenship to in the south.
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Postby Raymanoff » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:19 am

Get Real! I can have a very long debate on this issue with you...
We got no air-defense apart from french fireworks packed in a nice military looking package. S-300? Punta?
I do not beleive in ground forces anymore when it comes to self defense... occupation - yes, as a stage two but are we willing to?
Where is our Air force? 2 Hinds? 5 Gazelles and a couple of stationary Greek F16 in Pafos? Whom are you kidding?
When it comes to self defense we might have some good antitank missiles but we wont need them after they literally rape us from the Air...

Military is useless on our scale... for pseudo self confidence, patriotism etc - yes i agree but is it worth it long term?

OK, i will bring this in other words... both Armies bye bye, Turkish settlers fuck off - if someone doesn't like it then they shall pack their bags and fuck off too.. this island should be left to people with only one army... a massive army of lambs for a lifetime supply of souvla.
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Postby Get Real! » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:20 am

Raymanoff wrote:Get Real! I can have a very long debate on this issue with you...

Nah, one post will do...

Raymanoff wrote:GC army unfortunately is useless...

So you saw a picture of a bunch of 30, 40, and 50 year old reserves having a souvla AFTER the exercises had finished for the day at Nikiforos, and you automatically assumed that it’s souvla time from morning to dusk because someone added a cute caption to that effect! :roll:

Don’t assume but ask those who served and are still serving albeit less frequently as reserves.

Raymanoff wrote:NO proper Air Defence,

TOR missile systems, BUK missile systems, a large variety of Mistral systems, the list goes on…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tor_Missile_System
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buk_missile_system
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mistral_missile

Here’s a whole list of equipment…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_E ... _of_Cyprus

Raymanoff wrote:no reconnaissance,

1. HellasSat was a JOINT launch between the RoC and Greece and if you think it’s only there so you can watch porn movies on a Dreambox then you are literally dreaming!

http://www.hellas-sat.net/default.php?p ... nment&la=2

2. The NG has recently acquired Israeli spy drones (Elbit Hermes 450) and that should explain why people in the “TRNC” have started reporting UFOs in the skies!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elbit_Hermes_450

Raymanoff wrote:no airforce...

There should be 24 F16 fighter jets in Paphos, 12 Hinds in Nicosia, 6 Gazelles, and various other transport and recon types of aircraft... that is an airforce!

On a pound-for-pound basis, the CNG is a powerhouse… :lol: you won’t find another country its size or twice its size even with this much firepower!
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Postby YFred » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:24 pm

GR why "There should be", is there or is there not? We need to know, because next time you attack us we need to make arrangements to be able to store them.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Apr 16, 2009 10:23 pm

Raymanoff we are past that issue and have agreed demilitirazation. lets talk settlers.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Apr 17, 2009 8:37 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Raymanoff we are past that issue and have agreed demilitirazation. lets talk settlers.


No wonder no one has been able to solve the Cyprus problem.
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