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Postby Raymanoff » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:25 pm

This is the point where i have to agree with you...
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:27 pm

Raymanoff wrote:This is the point where i have to agree with you...


Great at last someone with common sense, lets move onto the settlers...lets say 45.000settlers can stay those who arrived over 10 years ago, children born here and those that married locals.
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Postby Raymanoff » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:39 pm

Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 10:45 pm

Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.
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Postby Raymanoff » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:01 pm

Viewpoint, i know a Syrian guy who lived here for 17 years... he got deported 2 years ago. Law is law... and for the past 35 years as you know there is only one judicious system is recognized is one of the republic of Cyprus and not North... this is the fact they will have to face. BUt, i know UN, US, EU will press oa human rights, genocide (relocation type) issues etc... and its our presidents decision to make whether to agree, partially agree or reject this.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:07 pm

Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, i know a Syrian guy who lived here for 17 years... he got deported 2 years ago. Law is law... and for the past 35 years as you know there is only one judicious system is recognized is one of the republic of Cyprus and not North... this is the fact they will have to face. BUt, i know UN, US, EU will press oa human rights, genocide (relocation type) issues etc... and its our presidents decision to make whether to agree, partially agree or reject this.


Raymanoff you seem to think more logically than most if the TCs have rights in Cyprus then surely the division does not mean they have any less rights and you must accept that the cause of division was not one sided. We have to make adjustments taking into account the realities before us because dont forget the GCs have single handedly handed out cizitenship to many in the south. If we go accoridng to human rights and time periods many settlers will qualify to remain in Cyprus. I am not supporting that all settlers stay far from it but those who have built their lives here had chlidren and even grandchildren should be allowed to stay just as is the case in many countires througout the world.
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Postby Sotos » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:10 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:14 pm

Sotos wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.


Even an unsentative person as yourself can understand that these people did not contirbute to the troubles of Cyprus, they were promised a better life and came to Cyprus marrying having children and even grandchildren, if you abide by the EU norms you have put your names to you cannot deport those who have been here more that 10 years. look at it from this viewpoint would you also be deporting the Pontian Greeks?
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Postby Get Real! » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:21 pm

Raymanoff wrote:Actually demilitarizing whole island on both sides is the only solution left

Solution??? Absolute rubbish!

GC army unfortunately is useless...

Rubbish.

NO proper Air Defence,

Rubbish.

no reconnaissance,

Rubbish.

no airforce...

...and even more rubbish!

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Postby Sotos » Wed Apr 15, 2009 11:25 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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Viewpoint wrote:
Raymanoff wrote:Viewpoint, by law which we all should respect they've entered island illegaly.. you know the drill, you have debated this a dozen of times... even if they have stayed 25 years and had children etc, by law they will have to be deported.
Some cases of mixed maarriage could be reviewed and have a positive outcome but some will have to be deported, this is the fact... this will cause mass protest, uprisings, civil war..i don't know but this issue is more serious than army.


How can you deport people so easily? they have lived here for 35 years born children who have also had children they know only Cyprus as their home.


You didn't seem to be so sensitive when you ethnically cleansed 200.000 people form the land they and all their ancestors lived! If they could move from Turkey and come to Cyprus then surely they should be able to do the return trip just as easily! If they were so attached to the land they were born then they wouldn't have moved to Cyprus to begin with. They would have stayed in Turkey.


Even an unsentative person as yourself can understand that these people did not contirbute to the troubles of Cyprus, they were promised a better life and came to Cyprus marrying having children and even grandchildren, if you abide by the EU norms you have put your names to you cannot deport those who have been here more that 10 years. look at it from this viewpoint would you also be deporting the Pontian Greeks?


Pontian Greeks are Greek and EU citizens free to move anywhere in EU they like. They are here legally and we can not deport EU citizens from Cyprus. But if you find a way to deport the Pontians then I can tell you that not many GCs will object ;) And if your settlers came to Cyprus because they were promised a better life then promise them a better life in Turkey so they will move back. Or are we supposed not only to feed you but also feed your settlers and give to them a better life than what they can get in their own crap country which is good for nothing except crimes? Maybe Turkey should invest more money to provide higher standards of living to her citizens instead of than buying weapons to make invasions and commit crimes?
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