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Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

deal

2 GCs agreeing dont chnage anything, because you are both on the same side you have to agree it with us thats what counts.

[Viewpoint]

No army in the north no army in the south? Are we all agreed?

Demilitarization is plain suicide. What happens if Cyprus has a feud with a neighbor sometime in the future that escalates to a military violation?

Every country has the right to self defense and an obligation to protect its citizens from foreign aggression.

You trust the EU and UN they can protect you, you ask us to trust them.

??? The EU and UN have NOTHING to do with the threat of foreign aggression of any given country.

Another country would be attacking EU soil why are you so worried?

To the best of my knowledge there’s no such thing as “EU soil” or any EU laws that make any reference to such soil.

I remind that as of 2009, the EU pretty much still remains a cultural and financial union of countries with no military force.

is ti just so that you have your own army to force your will upon defenceless TCs?

The "defenseless" TCs SHOULD BE part of that national guard too or did you assume that TCs should sit on their back sides all day?

Arent you being hypocrtical when you advise TCs to scrap Turkeys guarantee rights and trust the EU and UN yet you do not trust them with your own security, double standards me thinks.

When people talk about trusting the EU and/or UN, I would hope they are referring to matters pertaining to human rights, European finance, laws, etc, and certainly not national defense! If anyone has ever suggested to you that the EU or the UN come to member’s defense they don't know what they're talking about!

The national guard can be manipulated to support the side in power which will always be the GCs and therefore put us in grave danger. A joint effort would only mean that problems will intially erupt from within first

That rests entirely on whether or not Cyprus becomes a victim of a racist political arrangement in which case I can guarantee you trouble. If democracy reigns supreme with each person being a Cypriot citizen there can’t possibly be a problem as TCs and GCs would for the first time jointly persecute any trouble makers on the island.

...the offer is no armies on the whole island no armed reservisits nothing, put the expenditure to better use.

Unless you can come up with some kind of convincing security from potential foreign aggression that is NOT foreign, you’ve found your first major hurdle because national security is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to Greek Cypriots and should be for ALL Cypriot citizens.

Can you kindly explain this to GCs what they tell us we have nothing to fear and to entrust our safety in the EU and UN.

Why is it important who do you think will attack or do you have an hidden agenda?

[Get Real!]

Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

deal

2 GCs agreeing dont chnage anything, because you are both on the same side you have to agree it with us thats what counts.

What’s the matter VP, we’ve hardly started and you’ve already stumbled on national security leaving Cyprus with a bare bottom!

[Viewpoint]

Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

deal

2 GCs agreeing dont chnage anything, because you are both on the same side you have to agree it with us thats what counts.

What’s the matter VP, we’ve hardly started and you’ve already stumbled on national security leaving Cyprus with a bare bottom!

Then we have no progress just like our 2 leaders, we must not be suprised at the lack of progress as the chasm is to wide to bridge.

[Get Real!]

Can you kindly explain this to GCs what they tell us we have nothing to fear and to entrust our safety in the EU and UN.

That's your problem for debating with ignorant fools.

Why is it important who do you think will attack or do you have an hidden agenda?

Anyone who doesn’t have a clue about the all-important national security doesn’t belong in discussions for the formation of anything on Cyprus.

Go back to “debating” tossings with the ones you’re normally used to…

[boulio]

Firstly im not cypriot(g/c or t/c) but greek.

Secondly the security status of cyprus within Nato would i believe be fullfiled.The 1960 agrement is going to go away VP.Modern countries dont have another country guranttee there well being.Cyprus will not be turned into a turkish protracterate.

Now its up to the t/c to decided will they be better off in a security arragement within nato or not.

[Viewpoint]

Firstly im not cypriot(g/c or t/c) but greek.

Secondly the security status of cyprus within Nato would i believe be fullfiled.The 1960 agrement is going to go away VP.Modern countries dont have another country guranttee there well being.Cyprus will not be turned into a turkish protracterate.

Now its up to the t/c to decided will they be better off in a security arragement within nato or not.

Rejected.

[Viewpoint]

Can you kindly explain this to GCs what they tell us we have nothing to fear and to entrust our safety in the EU and UN.

That's your problem for debating with ignorant fools.

Why is it important who do you think will attack or do you have an hidden agenda?

Anyone who doesn’t have a clue about the all-important national security doesn’t belong in discussions for the formation of anything on Cyprus.

Go back to “debating” tossings with the ones you’re normally used to…

Do you know that Andora, Lichtenstein, Haiti and Mauritius do not have armies.

[Raymanoff]

Actually demilitarizing whole island on both sides is the only solution left i have mentioned this 3 years ago on this forum... no Army on both sides sounds perfect to me. And i don't want to listen to GC nationalists, GC army unfortunately is useless... you could be proving this to me for days i will not agree a bit. NO proper Air Defence, no reconnaissance, no airforce... lets just all make huge mother**** suvla together and forget the past and live peascefully (with every settler deported)

[Viewpoint]

Actually demilitarizing whole island on both sides is the only solution left i have mentioned this 3 years ago on this forum... no Army on both sides sounds perfect to me. And i don't want to listen to GC nationalists, GC army unfortunately is useless... you could be proving this to me for days i will not agree a bit. NO proper Air Defence, no reconnaissance, no airforce... lets just all make huge mother**** suvla together and forget the past and live peascefully (with every settler deported)

So can we agree demilitarizing which imo is the best way forward?