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[denizaksulu]

I dont know its your t/c "prez" and turkey who always cite the UN for a more active role in the cyprus solution.if you have so much trust in them then you should not have a problem having the un charter gurantee the saftey of the t/c community.

You see, UN is very good at talking and having agreements. They are not very good at enforcing them. You get better results when you let people do what they are best at.

Very few on the forum remember UN soldiers merely being by-passed by the Cyp Police and para-militaries between the years of 1963 - 67. If they have no mandate it is all pointless. They were alays 'onlookers'.

[Get Real!]

No army in the north no army in the south? Are we all agreed?

Demilitarization is plain suicide. What happens if Cyprus has a feud with a neighbor sometime in the future that escalates to a military violation?

Every country has the right to self defense and an obligation to protect its citizens from foreign aggression.

You trust the EU and UN they can protect you, you ask us to trust them.

??? The EU and UN have NOTHING to do with the threat of foreign aggression of any given country.

Another country would be attacking EU soil why are you so worried?

To the best of my knowledge there’s no such thing as “EU soil” or any EU laws that make any reference to such soil.

I remind that as of 2009, the EU pretty much still remains a cultural and financial union of countries with no military force.

is ti just so that you have your own army to force your will upon defenceless TCs?

The "defenseless" TCs SHOULD BE part of that national guard too or did you assume that TCs should sit on their back sides all day?

[Viewpoint]

No army in the north no army in the south? Are we all agreed?

Demilitarization is plain suicide. What happens if Cyprus has a feud with a neighbor sometime in the future that escalates to a military violation?

Every country has the right to self defense and an obligation to protect its citizens from foreign aggression.

You trust the EU and UN they can protect you, you ask us to trust them.

??? The EU and UN have NOTHING to do with the threat of foreign aggression of any given country.

Another country would be attacking EU soil why are you so worried?

To the best of my knowledge there’s no such thing as “EU soil” or any EU laws that make any reference to such soil.

I remind that as of 2009, the EU pretty much still remains a cultural and financial union of countries with no military force.

is ti just so that you have your own army to force your will upon defenceless TCs?

The "defenseless" TCs SHOULD BE part of that national guard too or did you assume that TCs should sit on their back sides all day?

Arent you being hypocrtical when you advise TCs to scrap Turkeys guarantee rights and trust the EU and UN yet you do not trust them with your own security, double standards me thinks.

The national guard can be manipulated to support the side in power which will always be the GCs and therefore put us in grave danger. A joint effort would only mean that problems will intially erupt from within first...the offer is no armies on the whole island no armed reservisits nothing, put the expenditure to better use.

[Get Real!]

No army in the north no army in the south? Are we all agreed?

Demilitarization is plain suicide. What happens if Cyprus has a feud with a neighbor sometime in the future that escalates to a military violation?

Every country has the right to self defense and an obligation to protect its citizens from foreign aggression.

You trust the EU and UN they can protect you, you ask us to trust them.

??? The EU and UN have NOTHING to do with the threat of foreign aggression of any given country.

Another country would be attacking EU soil why are you so worried?

To the best of my knowledge there’s no such thing as “EU soil” or any EU laws that make any reference to such soil.

I remind that as of 2009, the EU pretty much still remains a cultural and financial union of countries with no military force.

is ti just so that you have your own army to force your will upon defenceless TCs?

The "defenseless" TCs SHOULD BE part of that national guard too or did you assume that TCs should sit on their back sides all day?

Arent you being hypocrtical when you advise TCs to scrap Turkeys guarantee rights and trust the EU and UN yet you do not trust them with your own security, double standards me thinks.

When people talk about trusting the EU and/or UN, I would hope they are referring to matters pertaining to human rights, European finance, laws, etc, and certainly not national defense! If anyone has ever suggested to you that the EU or the UN come to member’s defense they don't know what they're talking about!

The national guard can be manipulated to support the side in power which will always be the GCs and therefore put us in grave danger. A joint effort would only mean that problems will intially erupt from within first

That rests entirely on whether or not Cyprus becomes a victim of a racist political arrangement in which case I can guarantee you trouble. If democracy reigns supreme with each person being a Cypriot citizen there can’t possibly be a problem as TCs and GCs would for the first time jointly persecute any trouble makers on the island.

...the offer is no armies on the whole island no armed reservisits nothing, put the expenditure to better use.

Unless you can come up with some kind of convincing security from potential foreign aggression that is NOT foreign, you’ve found your first major hurdle because national security is EXTREMELY IMPORTANT to Greek Cypriots and should be for ALL Cypriot citizens.

[SN2]

whatever give and take u do just make sure that Greece will NOT have any legal right on Cyprus.then its just

[boulio]

Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

[DT.]

Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

deal

[CBBB]

Well then create a cypriot defence force of lets say 8,000 men,and put it under a security apparatus were both greece and turkey belong:nato.

deal

No chance with Christophias in power!

[EPSILON]

I propose we try the give and take method to identify if we understand each other and how far we are willing to compormise...Ill start by giving that the Turkish Army leave the island...now what do the GCs give in return? Lets see how far we can go?

Let me stay in your house for free and then we can negotiate terms in order for me to lieve. I will give you your space back but you have also to give me something. Lets say the half of your monthly salary.

[boulio]

No chance with Christophias in power!

I think if both sides can come to a agreement concerning the security issue Christofias would join Nato in 10 seconds to annul the gurantorships of greece,turkey,uk.