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[denizaksulu]

... but next to nothing between indigenous Cypriots and Greece unless of course Greek mythologies are to be taken into account, ....

Xerokefalos!

What is it you fail to grasp about the predominance of archaic Greek DNA markers in the general population of the Mediterranean today (Sicily to Spain) ... and the special prevalence between Greeks and Cypriots?

Oracle, I’m a man of facts & figures which is why I never read novels or watch movies, so what archaic Greek DNA markers and green horses are you talking about gori? Have you any idea how many times the Slavic people had overrun the ancient Greeks?

When did the Slavs arrive in the Balkans?

That’s no different to asking when the Greeks arrived on the Balkans because ancient Greece was populated from the top down!

Idiot. Alexander the Great, lived fully 1000 years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans.

Is that according to Greek mythology sites?

"Historically they are also known as Enetoi and have inhabited the entire region of Balkans, north of Greece, Northern Itally, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bavaria, Northern Switzerland, Czech and Slovak Repulics Poland and central Germany all the way to today's Hamburg. The Slavs have inhabited this region since about 1500 B.C., and inhabit about 75 percent of that region to this day."

http://slovio.com/origin/index.html

Why dont you read an Encyclopedia?











Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007 edition

The people
Ethnicity and language

Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.

In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs. Both have had their periods of influence in the region (especially Serbia after 1918); consequently, there are still communities of Serbs (especially in Kumanovo and Skopje) and Bulgarians.

The people who form the majority of the inhabitants of the contemporary Macedonian republic are clearly not Greeks but Slavs. However, this ecclesiastical tradition, taken together with the long period during which the region was associated with the Greek-speaking Byzantine state, and above all the brief ascendancy of the Macedonian empire (c. 359–321 BC) continue to provide Greeks with a sense that Macedonia is Greek.

So did the Austrian Herr Heitler take the German armies, and the Corsican the French armies all across Europe and deep into Asia. So what it proves nothing.

Take it up with the Encyclopedias in question. Right them an email or start a letter campaign. What do you want me to say? I can post from other Encyclopedias as well that offer ruffly the same info.

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Give a cucumber to the village idiot, and he'll tell you that it's not straight

You dont get it do you. I dont deny the spread of Hellenism and the glory of Alex the son of the Macedonian Philip.

WHATS THE THRAD ABOUT?

[denizaksulu]

Isn't there rules against this?

How do you like it?

Don balion jeron stin Gibron, s’ enan migron horkon, enan androinon ebandreftin. Idun bolla ftoshi. En ihan bu don ilion miran. Llion istera bu don ghamon dus, o athrobos anangastin na bai magria ya na ’vri dhulian na xigonomisi rialia.

Se mian bolin arkepsen dhulian m’ enan beleganon bu don elalusan Banikon. Jinon don jeron enj’ exerasin ghrammada, j’ en ishen ude aftoginida ude dilefona na mborusin na sinennoithusin o athrobos me din yenegan du. Ezhusan j’ i thkio moni dus. Je da hronia ’jilusan...

Istera bu gamboson jeron abofasisen o athrobos na strafi biso sto horkon du.

‘Na bais is do galon, ye mu,’ iben du o mastros du. ‘Rialia bolla enje grado. Etsi enna su dhogo dris hrisimes baranjelies ya n’ athhimase don Banikon don beleganon. Brodin, aman dhis je gleftusin, esu drava biso je men glepsis. Dhefterin, aman dhis je mallonnusin, esu drava biso je men negadothis. Dridin, aman gadi se nevriasi, esu bale drava biso je jimise don thimon su.’

En rialia bo ’hriazedun o athrobos, oi baranjelies. Amma efkaristisen j’ ebosheredisen don mastron du, j’ ebgiaen din stradan ya do horkon du. San ebiennen o athrobos, idhen thkio-dris bo ’gleftasin mila bo ’nan bervolin. Eskeftin o athrobos na bai na glepsi je jinos, efoson ebinusen jolas. Amesos omos athhimithin din brodin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen. En do medaxin, jinus bo ’gleftasin ebgiaasin dus i zaftiedhes.

Llion bgio gado, o athrobos ivren allus thkio bo ’mallonasin. Esketfin na bai na dus horisi, efoson idun bolla aghriomeni. Amesos omos athhimithin din dhefterin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen. En do medaxin, jini bo ’mallonnasin emasherothigasin.

Din nihtan, ebi delus, eftasen esso du o athrobos. Annixen din bortan j’ embin mesa. Idun skodina. Idhen din yenegan du amma jini en don egadalaven. Brin na mbori o athrobos na dis sindishi, embin mesa enas allos, neos je psilos. Bu mesa du ethimothin bolla o athrobos. Bgios idun dudos? Eskeftin jinin din oran na dus skodosi je dus thkio. Amesos omos athhimithin din dridin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen.

‘Mboro na jimitho dhame bopse?’ arodisen o athrobos din yenegan.

I yenega edhixen du mian garkolan bu idun oxo. ‘An thelis jimithu jame. En se thkiohno.’

Stenohorimenos amma je bolla gurasmenos, ebojimithin o athrobos. Do broin annixen i borta j’ o athrobos idhen odi eboloyazen i yenega don levendin, j’ efilusen don jolas ba’ stes vuches. En andehen bgion o athrobos.

‘Bgios en dudos o mandrahallos bu filas?’ arodisen din yenegan. ‘Ime ’yo o andras su! En m’ egadalaves?’

‘Skodina epses, bu na se gadalavo, istera bu dosa hronia?’ abandisen i yenega. ‘Aghabi mu, o levendis dudos en o yos mas. Banikon don efkala!’

Je dode ’gadalaven o athrobos boson axizasin i dris baranjelies. J’ exeren bos idun n’ athhimade ya banda don Banikon don beleganon.

The Cypriot; we are aware of the rules. Why are you being selective in your criticism. Havent you seen your fellow GC compatriots conversing in Greek?

There is a purpose for all this. Some Turks have been rather unfriendly towards TCs and the TC accent.

[Lit]

... but next to nothing between indigenous Cypriots and Greece unless of course Greek mythologies are to be taken into account, ....

Xerokefalos!

What is it you fail to grasp about the predominance of archaic Greek DNA markers in the general population of the Mediterranean today (Sicily to Spain) ... and the special prevalence between Greeks and Cypriots?

Oracle, I’m a man of facts & figures which is why I never read novels or watch movies, so what archaic Greek DNA markers and green horses are you talking about gori? Have you any idea how many times the Slavic people had overrun the ancient Greeks?

When did the Slavs arrive in the Balkans?

That’s no different to asking when the Greeks arrived on the Balkans because ancient Greece was populated from the top down!

Idiot. Alexander the Great, lived fully 1000 years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans.

Is that according to Greek mythology sites?

"Historically they are also known as Enetoi and have inhabited the entire region of Balkans, north of Greece, Northern Itally, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bavaria, Northern Switzerland, Czech and Slovak Repulics Poland and central Germany all the way to today's Hamburg. The Slavs have inhabited this region since about 1500 B.C., and inhabit about 75 percent of that region to this day."

http://slovio.com/origin/index.html

Why dont you read an Encyclopedia?











Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007 edition

The people
Ethnicity and language

Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.

In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs. Both have had their periods of influence in the region (especially Serbia after 1918); consequently, there are still communities of Serbs (especially in Kumanovo and Skopje) and Bulgarians.

The people who form the majority of the inhabitants of the contemporary Macedonian republic are clearly not Greeks but Slavs. However, this ecclesiastical tradition, taken together with the long period during which the region was associated with the Greek-speaking Byzantine state, and above all the brief ascendancy of the Macedonian empire (c. 359–321 BC) continue to provide Greeks with a sense that Macedonia is Greek.

So did the Austrian Herr Heitler take the German armies, and the Corsican the French armies all across Europe and deep into Asia. So what it proves nothing.

Take it up with the Encyclopedias in question. Right them an email or start a letter campaign. What do you want me to say? I can post from other Encyclopedias as well that offer ruffly the same info.

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Give a cucumber to the village idiot, and he'll tell you that it's not straight

You dont get it do you. I dont deny the spread of Hellenism and the glory of Alex the son of the Macedonian Philip.

WHATS THE THRAD ABOUT?

My previous reply was to GR! who questioned my statement about the arrival of the Slavs in the Balkans. He believes that Slavs resided in Northern Greece since the time of Alexander or that is what i think he is trying to tell us. Sorry for veering off course but i had to respond to GR's silly assertions.

[denizaksulu]

u gavvolem sabıtdı bunlar gene ! be gendinize gelin .

be bu deyuslar .... yannız kıbrız gendilernin vatanıdır zanneder be argadaşlar !

Gorkma be Halil, biz neyik buraşda?

Ma kimdir "bunnar" dediğingiz gişiler? Urumlar yogsam Türgler? Runaway abardır çoğu zaman tepgilerini Dengiz'e garşı.

Be Deniz, sıçanın bile dengize faydası vardır deller, ma ne demkdir bu laf yavu?

Vallahi hiç da öyle lagırdı duymadım amma, benim rahmetlik nenem vardı da bulmaca sorardı bana.

'yüz numaraya giddıyingde sıçan mı yer yogsa da yapan mı yer derdi.

Allah rahmet eylesin gocagariya.

Vallayi be Dengiz, benim gocagarıları hiç bir banga öyle bir bulmaca sormadılar. Fakide cuvabı yokdur bu bulmacanın zannedersam. Yogsa ne sıçan ne da yapan yerdir acıba cuvap?

http://huseyingazikoyu.tr.gg/Atasozleri-ve-Deyimler.htm

Aha buraşda buldum o lakırdıyı ama biraz daha deişikdir. Oraşda der "Sıçanın sidiğinin denize faydası vardır." Galibam bizim Kıprıs Türkcasına biraz deyişdirilerek geçdi bu lakırdı.

Banga böyük daş atdıng haa!

[insan]

Isn't there rules against this?

How do you like it?

Don balion jeron stin Gibron, s’ enan migron horkon, enan androinon ebandreftin. Idun bolla ftoshi. En ihan bu don ilion miran. Llion istera bu don ghamon dus, o athrobos anangastin na bai magria ya na ’vri dhulian na xigonomisi rialia.

Se mian bolin arkepsen dhulian m’ enan beleganon bu don elalusan Banikon. Jinon don jeron enj’ exerasin ghrammada, j’ en ishen ude aftoginida ude dilefona na mborusin na sinennoithusin o athrobos me din yenegan du. Ezhusan j’ i thkio moni dus. Je da hronia ’jilusan...

Istera bu gamboson jeron abofasisen o athrobos na strafi biso sto horkon du.

‘Na bais is do galon, ye mu,’ iben du o mastros du. ‘Rialia bolla enje grado. Etsi enna su dhogo dris hrisimes baranjelies ya n’ athhimase don Banikon don beleganon. Brodin, aman dhis je gleftusin, esu drava biso je men glepsis. Dhefterin, aman dhis je mallonnusin, esu drava biso je men negadothis. Dridin, aman gadi se nevriasi, esu bale drava biso je jimise don thimon su.’

En rialia bo ’hriazedun o athrobos, oi baranjelies. Amma efkaristisen j’ ebosheredisen don mastron du, j’ ebgiaen din stradan ya do horkon du. San ebiennen o athrobos, idhen thkio-dris bo ’gleftasin mila bo ’nan bervolin. Eskeftin o athrobos na bai na glepsi je jinos, efoson ebinusen jolas. Amesos omos athhimithin din brodin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen. En do medaxin, jinus bo ’gleftasin ebgiaasin dus i zaftiedhes.

Llion bgio gado, o athrobos ivren allus thkio bo ’mallonasin. Esketfin na bai na dus horisi, efoson idun bolla aghriomeni. Amesos omos athhimithin din dhefterin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen. En do medaxin, jini bo ’mallonnasin emasherothigasin.

Din nihtan, ebi delus, eftasen esso du o athrobos. Annixen din bortan j’ embin mesa. Idun skodina. Idhen din yenegan du amma jini en don egadalaven. Brin na mbori o athrobos na dis sindishi, embin mesa enas allos, neos je psilos. Bu mesa du ethimothin bolla o athrobos. Bgios idun dudos? Eskeftin jinin din oran na dus skodosi je dus thkio. Amesos omos athhimithin din dridin baranjelian du Baniku du beleganu, j’ emedanosen.

‘Mboro na jimitho dhame bopse?’ arodisen o athrobos din yenegan.

I yenega edhixen du mian garkolan bu idun oxo. ‘An thelis jimithu jame. En se thkiohno.’

Stenohorimenos amma je bolla gurasmenos, ebojimithin o athrobos. Do broin annixen i borta j’ o athrobos idhen odi eboloyazen i yenega don levendin, j’ efilusen don jolas ba’ stes vuches. En andehen bgion o athrobos.

‘Bgios en dudos o mandrahallos bu filas?’ arodisen din yenegan. ‘Ime ’yo o andras su! En m’ egadalaves?’

‘Skodina epses, bu na se gadalavo, istera bu dosa hronia?’ abandisen i yenega. ‘Aghabi mu, o levendis dudos en o yos mas. Banikon don efkala!’

Je dode ’gadalaven o athrobos boson axizasin i dris baranjelies. J’ exeren bos idun n’ athhimade ya banda don Banikon don beleganon.

Evharisdo bolla for the reminder The Cypriot, gardaş. Bara Galo. I've never seen any Greeks, GCs , TCs or Turks or Brits warning GCs or Greeks not to talk in Greek without the translation into English but I agree we violated a rule of the forum for a purpose.

[insan]

u gavvolem sabıtdı bunlar gene ! be gendinize gelin .

be bu deyuslar .... yannız kıbrız gendilernin vatanıdır zanneder be argadaşlar !

Gorkma be Halil, biz neyik buraşda?

Ma kimdir "bunnar" dediğingiz gişiler? Urumlar yogsam Türgler? Runaway abardır çoğu zaman tepgilerini Dengiz'e garşı.

Be Deniz, sıçanın bile dengize faydası vardır deller, ma ne demkdir bu laf yavu?

Vallahi hiç da öyle lagırdı duymadım amma, benim rahmetlik nenem vardı da bulmaca sorardı bana.

'yüz numaraya giddıyingde sıçan mı yer yogsa da yapan mı yer derdi.

Allah rahmet eylesin gocagariya.

Vallayi be Dengiz, benim gocagarıları hiç bir banga öyle bir bulmaca sormadılar. Fakide cuvabı yokdur bu bulmacanın zannedersam. Yogsa ne sıçan ne da yapan yerdir acıba cuvap?

http://huseyingazikoyu.tr.gg/Atasozleri-ve-Deyimler.htm

Aha buraşda buldum o lakırdıyı ama biraz daha deişikdir. Oraşda der "Sıçanın sidiğinin denize faydası vardır." Galibam bizim Kıprıs Türkcasına biraz deyişdirilerek geçdi bu lakırdı.

Banga böyük daş atdıng haa!

Yok be Dengiz, her halukarda bu lakırdıda demek isdenir ki; yanığa sanga zaralı gibi görünen bişeyin bilem, illa ki bir faydası vardır sanga. Yanığa burda "sıçan" oysa; onun bilem sanga faydası vardır.

[Oracle]

Isn't there rules against this?

How do you like it?

Don balion jeron stin Gibron, s’ enan migron horkon, enan androinon ebandreftin.
......

Personally, I'm liking it more and more

.... Has anyone, systematically, attempted codification? Is there a formal dictionary of the glosses from Greek. A Dr. Samuel Johnson of Gybriaka? Syntax looks similar, but the grammar and spelling rules seem too variable to me.

Here is a perfect opportunity to synchronize graphemes and phonemes BTW

Are you planning to use the Greek alphabet or Latin for standardising this dialect - or switch between them?

[The Cypriot]

Evharisdo bolla for the reminder The Cypriot, gardaş. Bara Galo. I've never seen any Greeks, GCs , TCs or Turks or Brits warning GCs or Greeks not to talk in Greek without the translation into English but I agree we violated a rule of the forum for a purpose.

That's OK, insan. Don't worry. I just felt a little excluded... like I didn't belong.

But I turned it around and used it as an opportunity to show off. What I wrote was in 'Gibreiga' - the Greeks would call it 'Kypriaka'!

[The Cypriot]

.... Has anyone, systematically, attempted codification? Is there a formal dictionary of the glosses from Greek. A Dr. Samuel Johnson of Gybriaka?

Here's a link to some work that's been done in this area....

http://wikipriaka.com/cy

and here:

http://wikipriaka.com/en/more

for more links....

Please note, I advised in the development but am not responsible for this site.

Are you planning to use the Greek alphabet or Latin for standardising this dialect - or switch between them?

Work has been done in both alphabets. My own view would be to use Latin so as to open Cypriot up to the whole world though clearly Cypriots educated in Greek may opt for the Greek alphabet.

[YFred]

Evharisdo bolla for the reminder The Cypriot, gardaş. Bara Galo. I've never seen any Greeks, GCs , TCs or Turks or Brits warning GCs or Greeks not to talk in Greek without the translation into English but I agree we violated a rule of the forum for a purpose.

That's OK, insan. Don't worry. I just felt a little excluded... like I didn't belong.

But I turned it around and used it as an opportunity to show off. What I wrote was in 'Gibreiga' - the Greeks would call it 'Kypriaka'!

When I speak that kind of greek to my friends, they tell me its turkish.