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[Oracle]

French is a romance language and Flemish is a Germanic language. How are they similar?

Like this!



They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

Mashallah, mashallah, O! Egames da thalassa!

How?

[Oracle]

How can a language be a contributing factor to the Cyprus problem? Are you for real..?

You know very well how language has been used to subjugate the natives! Turkish was imposed on the Cypriot natives by the Brits, who have expertly used language as a political and colonising tool for hundreds of years. Turkey is none too innocent regarding the power of language ... otherwise why were the Kurds silenced of their dialects for so long (still are mostly).

If 18-26% of the population speak it as their mother tongue then why not? Besides, this is a pointless debate Oracle, since it is done and dusted. Turkish is an official language of Cyprus alongside Greek. Please update yourself

How can you rationalise making Turkish an equally Official language when the population is so small .... It ties in with your overt extra-special demands and is unfair, unnecessary and unwanted!

Speak it all you like, no one will stop you in our fair Democracy ... just don't impose it as an Official language to remind us of your invasions and enslavement.

Trust me, if you said this in a meeting with high level politicians they would call security.

Which high level meeting would force you to accept Turkish as an Official Language? ... certainly not the EU!

[The Cypriot]

French is a romance language and Flemish is a Germanic language. How are they similar?

Like this!



They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

Mashallah, mashallah, O! Egames da thalassa!

How?

Because words like mashallah are already in our vocabulary.... (admittedly via the Arabic, perhaps)

[Oracle]

French is a romance language and Flemish is a Germanic language. How are they similar?

Like this!



They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

Mashallah, mashallah, O! Egames da thalassa!

How?

Because words like mashallah are already in our vocabulary.... (admittedly via the Arabic, perhaps)

Reh, I'm not blind (deaf?) to the borrowings amongst languages. Yes we use words like 'Janissary' and 'coffee' which the Turks may lay claim to, but those do not change the origins of common core languages.

[Omer Seyhan]

This is not really an issue at all. Both Cypriot leaders, Greece and Turkey, the UK accept that Cyprus has two languages.

But as you ask...

Turkish was already established in Cyprus well before British rule. The Brits did not import Turkish. Cyprioturkish is based on Old Anatolian Turkish of the 16th century with influences from the Yoruks of the Taurus Mountains who speak an archaic language similar to the Oghuz tribes. Later it became mixed with Cypriotgreek and Sanna, Arabic and English.

So..Turkish is therefore a historical language in Cyprus spoken as a mother tongue by a chunk of the population for 500 years +.

I'm not imposing anything. Turkish or rather Cyprioturkish is apart of the island. Turkish has influenced Cypriot music, literature, poetry and has given place names to the island. It has influenced Cypriotgreek and is a native language to many Cypriots.

18-26% is small? It is common practice in the EU, if 20% of people in an area speak another language then bilingual signs must go up, welfare / health services have to provide information in that language etc etc. Are proposing Greek is imposed on everybody even if it will deny them access as citizens to services?

No I meant if you presented the argument that Turkish should be reduced from its official status in any meeting with any influential people then they would not take you seriously.

[The Cypriot]

D’ aghabimena fenunde,
Chakara makara foskere,
Bu din barpadishan dus.
Aide, bullin mu, j’ erkume.
J’ abu do susman don sherkon,
Chakara makara foskere,
J’ abu do liisman dus.
Aide, bullin mu, j’ erkume.

Lovers can’t help but show their love,
Chakara makara foskere,
Even by how they’re walking.
I’ll be there soon, just wait and see.
Look at the way they swing their arms,
Chakara makara foskere,
Listen to how they’re talking.
I’ll be there soon, just wait and see.

[denizaksulu]

I decided not to vote on your pole Bafidi since I cannot give a clear cut answer to the question. I am a TC with an emphasis on on the "C". I was watching the Good Friday appeal on channel 7, a representative of the "Bank of Cyprus Australia" presented a cheque on the behalf of the "Greek Community" in Melbourne, no mention at all of being "Cypriot" whatsoever. Like the answer you gave to DT on another thread about being Cypriot or Australian, to me it would also depend on who is asking.

Totally respect your view on this Umit.

So in effect you are mainly Cypriot and very proud to be Cypriot but you will also maintain your Turkish Heritage or Ethnicity and not completely abandon it like some "Super Cypriots"?

I think the majority of Greek and Turkish Cypriots are like that Umit and I like the example you give about the BOCA donation in Melbourne.

When we are United again, then perhaps BOCA will change that and declare that any donations are on behalf of the Cypriot community and that one day TCs are also employed by BOCA which is a Cypriot bank.

As usual you are so bloody immature !!
I doubt whether more than half a dozen will vote !!!

This is why I have not voted on this poll. Some like to place people in different boxes, more divide and rule; or damned if you do or damned if you dont.

[denizaksulu]

... but next to nothing between indigenous Cypriots and Greece unless of course Greek mythologies are to be taken into account, ....

Xerokefalos!

What is it you fail to grasp about the predominance of archaic Greek DNA markers in the general population of the Mediterranean today (Sicily to Spain) ... and the special prevalence between Greeks and Cypriots?

Oracle, I’m a man of facts & figures which is why I never read novels or watch movies, so what archaic Greek DNA markers and green horses are you talking about gori? Have you any idea how many times the Slavic people had overrun the ancient Greeks?

When did the Slavs arrive in the Balkans?

That’s no different to asking when the Greeks arrived on the Balkans because ancient Greece was populated from the top down!

Idiot. Alexander the Great, lived fully 1000 years before the Slavs arrived in the Balkans.

Is that according to Greek mythology sites?

"Historically they are also known as Enetoi and have inhabited the entire region of Balkans, north of Greece, Northern Itally, Hungary, Romania, Austria, Bavaria, Northern Switzerland, Czech and Slovak Repulics Poland and central Germany all the way to today's Hamburg. The Slavs have inhabited this region since about 1500 B.C., and inhabit about 75 percent of that region to this day."

http://slovio.com/origin/index.html

Why dont you read an Encyclopedia?











Encyclopaedia Britannica 2007 edition

The people
Ethnicity and language

Macedonia has inherited a complex ethnic structure. The largest group, calling themselves Macedonians (about two-thirds of the population), are descendants of Slavic tribes that moved into the region between the 6th and 8th centuries AD. Their language is very closely related to Bulgarian and is written in the Cyrillic script.

In language, religion, and history, a case could be made for identifying Macedonian Slavs with Bulgarians and to a lesser extent with Serbs. Both have had their periods of influence in the region (especially Serbia after 1918); consequently, there are still communities of Serbs (especially in Kumanovo and Skopje) and Bulgarians.

The people who form the majority of the inhabitants of the contemporary Macedonian republic are clearly not Greeks but Slavs. However, this ecclesiastical tradition, taken together with the long period during which the region was associated with the Greek-speaking Byzantine state, and above all the brief ascendancy of the Macedonian empire (c. 359–321 BC) continue to provide Greeks with a sense that Macedonia is Greek.

So did the Austrian Herr Heitler take the German armies, and the Corsican the French armies all across Europe and deep into Asia. So what it proves nothing.

[Oracle]

So what it proves nothing.

I think it proved what Lit was debating ... isn't that what evidence is for? Historical and scientific! To help formulate our ideas!

Perhaps you are too-Turkish and think it is enough to just make up history or revise it in some favoured way

[denizaksulu]

So what it proves nothing.

I think it proved what Lit was debating ... isn't that what evidence is for? Historical and scientific! To help formulate our ideas!

Perhaps you are too-Turkish and think it is enough to just make up history or revise it in some favoured way

Sometimes you are so so..........

One is never too Turkish. Some do not even know what 'Turkishness' is. I am safer being Turkish speaking Cypriot; thank you.

Yes, right. Turkishness and Cypriotism. It makes it all too clear.