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by **denizaksulu** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:17 am

A disciple of Nasreddin Hodja. Good for you;

The Cypriot quote Hodja:

I'll answer with a story....

Once there was a donkey, a young boy and an old man. And they passed through three villages. At the first village the young boy was on the donkey and the old man was pulling them. The villagers saw the old man, who was sweating, and they said, ‘Isn’t the young boy ashamed? Having the old man pull them in this heat!’

At the second village the old man was on the donkey and the young boy was pulling them. The villagers saw the young boy, who was sweating, and they said, ‘Isn’t the old man ashamed? Having the young boy pull them in this heat!’

At the third village the old man and the young boy were carrying the donkey on their shoulders. The villagers saw the donkey, who was resting, and said, ‘What a clever donkey!’

by **Oracle** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:27 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:I'm not arguing to retain Turkish. I don't have to. Turkish is already spoken in Cyprus -

But if it was a contributing factor to the Cyprus Problem, and we are looking for a solution ... it may have to go!

I'm not sure what your definition of 'recent' is, but Turkish speaking Cypriots have been around for 500 years. Half a millenia is a long time...

I was talking about "Turkish" ... as an "Official" language! Very, very recent! :wink:

French is a romance language and Flemish is a Germanic language. How are they similar?

Like this!

They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

Francophones and Flemings have bonded, yes, through coexistence. But so have Greek speaking and Turkish speaking Cypriots. I would say we have bonded quite a lot. Prior to 1974 we all lived in mixed villages and towns, our grand parents eating together, drinking together, arguing together and even fornicating together.... We could be related you and I?

Really .... how long for? How long were the Greeks of Cyprus free to use their free-will to participate in all these fine jollities?

Enforced "bonding" is not what I call fair. Now if we rid ourselves of the vestiges of colonialism and enslavement then we can ALL truly be free to make merry!

Turkish is today and will almost certainly remain an official language of Cyprus along with Greek.

Only if Turkey continues to enslave us would Turkish remain as an Official language, just to keep its foot in our door! ... We have a right to continue to use our own native language.

Ok fine thats your prerogative but as long as you realise you are in a very small wafer thin minority.

How do you know I am a minority on this?

Some would call you an extremist for your opinion. And as you know extremists are usually ignored in most civilised societies.

An extremist protector of fine historical languages ... Super-duper!

by **denizaksulu** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:33 am

Turkish belongs to the Ural-Altay group of languages. Why be selective with your graphics Oracle.

The Turkish language is part of Cyprus culture, deasl with it. As I said, we can always talk in English, as we are doing now. :lol:

by **Oracle** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:49 am

denizaksulu wrote:Turkish belongs to the Ural-Altay group of languages. Why be selective with your graphics Oracle.

The Turkish language is part of Cyprus culture, deasl with it. As I said, we can always talk in English, as we are doing now.

I wasn't being selective ... the tree which includes the European languages under discussion with Omer, happens to be that one ....

People are free to talk with any language they wish ... we were discussing Official languages ... and if you don't mind, I don't wish to go over it all again just because you have decided to get your oar in so late

Kalinihta

by **Omer Seyhan** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:55 am

But if it was a contributing factor to the Cyprus Problem, and we are looking for a solution ... it may have to go!

How can a language be a contributing factor to the Cyprus problem? Are you for real..?
:lol:

I was talking about "Turkish" ... as an "Official" language! Very, very recent!

If 18-26% of the population speak it as their mother tongue then why not? Besides, this is a pointless debate Oracle, since it is done and dusted. Turkish is an official language of Cyprus alongside Greek. Please update yourself.

They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

So Turkish is not Indo-European, so what? Would you prefer Urdu or Pashtun perhaps...? Is that the grounds for your argument?

:lol:

Really .... how long for? How long were the Greeks of Cyprus free to use their free-will to participate in all these fine jollities?

Enforced "bonding" is not what I call fair. Now if we rid ourselves of the vestiges of colonialism and enslavement then we can ALL truly be free to make merry!

Hardly enforced. The Muslim Cypriots were also subjects of the Ottoman Empire. They rebelled too against the Ottomans. Read Harry Luke concerning the 28 rebellions by Muslim Cypriots, e.g. Mehmet Boyacioglu or Halil Aga in 1640. Ordinary Cypriot peasants did mix in their small mixed villages; to presume that they kept themselves to themselves without fornicating with one another for 500 years is very naive of you.

I think we are related, are you from Paphos, Terra region?

Only if Turkey continues to enslave us would Turkish remain as an Official language, just to keep its foot in our door! ... We have a right to continue to use our own native language.

Nothing to do with it. The Turkish language or rather the Cypriot-Turkish dialect is native to he island's Muslim Cypriots.

Turkey's idea of getting a foot hold in Cyprus is through a air / naval base in Karpaz (with a contingent of troops to protect its Southern flanks) and with a small population of its own - settlers. Turkey does not accept Turkish Cypriots as loyal but as Cypriots, so they move their own people in. This is a different issue. We can discuss this if you like in more detail.

How do you know I am a minority on this?

Trust me, if you said this in a meeting with high level politicians they would call security.

An extremist protector of fine historical languages ... Super-duper!

Unfortunately not. More like another confused fellow citizen who is yet to grasp the Cyprus problem and its panacea.

by **The Cypriot** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 12:59 am

Oracle wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:I'm not arguing to retain Turkish. I don't have to. Turkish is already spoken in Cyprus -

But if it was a contributing factor to the Cyprus Problem, and we are looking for a solution ... it may have to go!

Careful, O. That's a dangerous argument if you're looking to preserve Greek. You fall into the arms of the Anglo-phile!

Oracle wrote:
I'm not sure what your definition of 'recent' is, but Turkish speaking Cypriots have been around for 500 years. Half a millenia is a long time...

I was talking about "Turkish" ... as an "Official" language! Very, very recent!

Forgive me, isn't this also true for "Greek"... in an official sense.

Oracle wrote:
French is a romance language and Flemish is a Germanic language. How are they similar?

Like this!

They are off the same main branch! Can you find Turkish anywhere on there? So why should we suddenly introduce it into our vocabulary?

Mashallah, mashallah, O! Egames da thalassa!

Oracle wrote:
Enforced "bonding" is not what I call fair. Now if we rid ourselves of the vestiges of colonialism and enslavement then we can ALL truly be free to make merry!

So now you're arguing that we drop English....? Calm down, O. We were doing so well.

Oracle wrote:
Only if Turkey continues to enslave us would Turkish remain as an Official language, just to keep its foot in our door! ... We have a right to continue to use our own native language.

Certainly we have that right, and if anyone prevents me from using Cypriot...
Enna don gamo na me thori je na gadura bano du.
(I’m going to make him look at me and piss himself)

Oracle wrote:An extremist protector of fine historical languages ... Super-duper!

That makes two of us.

by **The Cypriot** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:20 am

Oracle wrote:
Kalinihta

Galinihta, O... (thanx 4 message)... for some reason not letting me reply...

by **Omer Seyhan** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 1:24 am

The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Kalinihta

Galinihta, O... (thanx 4 message)... for some reason not letting me reply...

Arkadaşlar iyi geceler

by **insan** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 2:23 am

Omer Seyhan wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Kalinihta

Galinihta, O... (thanx 4 message)... for some reason not letting me reply...

Arkadaşlar iyi geceler

İyi geceler Ömer ve tüm arkadaşlar.

by **Oracle** » Thu Apr 16, 2009 11:38 am

insan wrote:
Omer Seyhan wrote:
The Cypriot wrote:
Oracle wrote:
Kalinihta

Galinihta, O... (thanx 4 message)... for some reason not letting me reply...

Arkadaşlar iyi geceler

İyi geceler Ömer ve tüm arkadaşlar.

Iyi Bir gün Ömer ve Insan ve bütün arkadaşlarım

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