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[The Cypriot]

How I miss those tet a tet beteen Oracle and GR. Now there's the new 'kid on the block'..............interesting.

Cant wait to see the fall-out, when O's done with him?

You're making me nervous, Deniz... I know there may have been "something-of-the-night" about those high priestesses-of-old at Delphi, but surely not our modern-day, no nonsense Oracle?

[denizaksulu]

How I miss those tet a tet beteen Oracle and GR. Now there's the new 'kid on the block'..............interesting.

Cant wait to see the fall-out, when O's done with him?

You're making me nervous, Deniz... I know there may have been "something-of-the-night" about those high priestesses-of-old at Delphi, but surely not our modern-day, no nonsense Oracle?

I have said enough. Just relax.................for the time being. You still have your uses.

[Oracle]

Bravo sweetie, you have met me half way. You harbour the concept of an official language and a language of common daily use, albeit in your id.

Thanks, sweetie
I'm very proud of my id! (And it's your id too, I suspect, when you're not trying to be too clever, in polite society... )

Apologies, since I did not realise I was amongst 'polite society' after reading your exchanges with Lit

(You should nurse this trait of simultaneously sustaining two contradictory facts )

You're so right about nursing the trait. And God how we need experts in doing so (like you) in Cyprus, genuinely fighting the cause of unity rather than scoring cheap points against the 'other'!

You underestimate the power of the cheap shot (Ref: David and Goliath, The Bible, Chpt: something, Vs: something else).

That aside, what I was referring to was accepting juggling between contradictions without necessarily believing either but not pretending you do. What you are referring to, and perhaps doing (as I suspect GR! is also), is being hypocritical. You may juggle two contradictions, but you opt to voice one, which you may not necessarily believe. You resort to advertising one of the perspectives simply because it pleaseth the enemy. However, you harbour/believe the other unvoiced persuasion.

I suspect you, like GR!, in true Greek style, understand why a position you hold is 'wrong' (i.e. being Hellenic), in the context of engaging with the enemy, Turks; so you suspend the knowledge in lieu of appeasing the enemy long enough to gain the upper hand, or to stop him using this position as a weapon against you . This is hypocritical IMO, and I prefer my gains to be honest as I cannot code-switch so easily.

But, I'll mull over this alternative slingshot strategy ...

In polite society in Nicosia maybe... the imported modern standard version... to further say, a career, or social standing. But otherwise, when they're back home, it's back to our wonderful id, (our historical/ethnical/regional language), which my mum taught me. My mother tongue.

What you are describing here is what happens with every language across the world. It's called style-swapping, and it indicates the power of language to identify social stratification. Hence why learned GCs will always revert to Standard Greek under prestige requiring situations, and relax back into Kybriaka as appropriate.

Do you mind me asking if both your parents are GC?

I've spent a lot of time preserving my id... and other important parts of Cypriot heritage. I've even managed to claim back certain historic personages that others were needlessly giving away.

Would you mind sharing with us, what these might be? (For no reason other than I would like to know what you consider as the 'important Cypriot heritages'.)

Perhaps there's a reason why two such individuals, with (vestiges of) common sense, are pursuing this argument, O. Perhaps we've figured something out.

Again, could you spill the beans on this great discovery by the two forum exibni gharous which the rest of us lesser gharous have failed to appreciate?

[The Cypriot]

You took your time over this, O! Must have got you thinking....

[Oracle]

You took your time over this, O! Must have got you thinking....

You appeared to be in a strange (sarcastic) mood yesterday, and I feared a flippant answer to my bold requests for information.

I guess I ain't getting any sense from you today either ....

[The Cypriot]

Apologies, since I did not realise I was amongst 'polite society' after reading your exchanges with Lit

I would love to respond but am not at liberty to do so.

You underestimate the power of the cheap shot (Ref: David and Goliath, The Bible, Chpt: something, Vs: something else).

Not sure it was a 'cheap shot' that felled the mighty Goliath, O. A clever shot, for sure. But devastating cleverness doesn't usually come cheap.

That aside, what I was referring to was accepting juggling between contradictions without necessarily believing either but not pretending you do.

Who's pretending? Your over-elaboration is tying us up in knots, O. Balancing contradictions is they key to a solution to Cyprus. But it depends ultimately if you believe in one or not.

What you are referring to, and perhaps doing (as I suspect GR! is also), is being hypocritical.

Ouch!

You may juggle two contradictions, but you opt to voice one, which you may not necessarily believe. You resort to advertising one of the perspectives simply because it pleaseth the enemy. However, you harbour/believe the other unvoiced persuasion.

I say what I believe, O. Do you?

I suspect you, like GR!, in true Greek style, understand why a position you hold is 'wrong' (i.e. being Hellenic),

It is right that the island of Cyprus is really reunified. For its people and for the whole world. This belief overides all other considerations.

in the context of engaging with the enemy, Turks;

The 'Turks' are not the enemy. And certainly not Cypriots of Muslim extraction, now living or with family in the north. The enemy are the dark forces that control and support Turkey's military.

“Know your enemy and know yourself and you can fight a hundred battles without disaster.”
Sun Tsu

so you suspend the knowledge in lieu of appeasing the enemy

I would never appease any enemy of Cyprus.

long enough to gain the upper hand, or to stop him using this position as a weapon against you . This is hypocritical IMO, and I prefer my gains to be honest as I cannot code-switch so easily.

This, forgive me, is nonsense.

But, I'll mull over this alternative slingshot strategy ...

Yes. Mull it over properly, O. Engage that wonderful brain of yours to its full capacity.

Hence why learned GCs will always revert to Standard Greek under prestige requiring situations, and relax back into Kybriaka as appropriate.

And going forward, prestige will be found in one's command of English. So you've nothing to be worried about, O.... OK?

Do you mind me asking if both your parents are GC?

I don't mind at all. Why do you ask?

Both my parents were born on the island of Cyprus. Both were christened in an orthodox church.

Would you mind sharing with us, what these might be? (For no reason other than I would like to know what you consider as the 'important Cypriot heritages'.)

I will reveal more, as and when I feel the time is right. Perhaps you might share with me what you consider 'important'. I'll tell you whether I agree and have done any work in that area.

Again, could you spill the beans on this great discovery by the two forum exibni gharous which the rest of us lesser gharous have failed to appreciate?

I'll answer with a story....


Once there was a donkey, a young boy and an old man. And they passed through three villages. At the first village the young boy was on the donkey and the old man was pulling them. The villagers saw the old man, who was sweating, and they said, ‘Isn’t the young boy ashamed? Having the old man pull them in this heat!’

At the second village the old man was on the donkey and the young boy was pulling them. The villagers saw the young boy, who was sweating, and they said, ‘Isn’t the old man ashamed? Having the young boy pull them in this heat!’

At the third village the old man and the young boy were carrying the donkey on their shoulders. The villagers saw the donkey, who was resting, and said, ‘What a clever donkey!’

[The Cypriot]

You appeared to be in a strange (sarcastic) mood yesterday, and I feared a flippant answer to my bold requests for information.

I was in a playful mood... and I still am.

I guess I ain't getting any sense from you today either ....

Sorry, O.... I've been busy at work today after a long, lazy Easter break.

[Get Real!]

That aside, what I was referring to was accepting juggling between contradictions without necessarily believing either but not pretending you do. What you are referring to, and perhaps doing (as I suspect GR! is also), is being hypocritical. You may juggle two contradictions, but you opt to voice one, which you may not necessarily believe. You resort to advertising one of the perspectives simply because it pleaseth the enemy. However, you harbour/believe the other unvoiced persuasion.

I suspect you, like GR!, in true Greek style, understand why a position you hold is 'wrong' (i.e. being Hellenic), in the context of engaging with the enemy, Turks; so you suspend the knowledge in lieu of appeasing the enemy long enough to gain the upper hand, or to stop him using this position as a weapon against you . This is hypocritical IMO, and I prefer my gains to be honest as I cannot code-switch so easily.

When Cyprus was the master of the eastern Mediterranean trading with the great pharaohs of Egypt and many others, Greece did not even exist so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

[Oracle]

It is right that the island of Cyprus is really reunified. For its people and for the whole world. This belief overides all other considerations.

Yes it is right that Cyprus is re-unified ... but overriding all other considerations? Nope!

Because if it was reunified under the rule of Turks, it would not be right.
Because if it was reunified with Turkish as the one and only official language, it would not be right.
Because if it was reunified with the Settlers being granted exclusive rights and ownership of what belonged to others pre-1974, it would not be right.

Many, many reasons why the right solution should be found, by taking into due consideration all that is right and not over-riding all other factors. Including our predominantly Hellenic culture and our uncompromisable Human Rights.

[Oracle]

That aside, what I was referring to was accepting juggling between contradictions without necessarily believing either but not pretending you do. What you are referring to, and perhaps doing (as I suspect GR! is also), is being hypocritical. You may juggle two contradictions, but you opt to voice one, which you may not necessarily believe. You resort to advertising one of the perspectives simply because it pleaseth the enemy. However, you harbour/believe the other unvoiced persuasion.

I suspect you, like GR!, in true Greek style, understand why a position you hold is 'wrong' (i.e. being Hellenic), in the context of engaging with the enemy, Turks; so you suspend the knowledge in lieu of appeasing the enemy long enough to gain the upper hand, or to stop him using this position as a weapon against you . This is hypocritical IMO, and I prefer my gains to be honest as I cannot code-switch so easily.

When Cyprus was the master of the eastern Mediterranean trading with the great pharaohs of Egypt and many others, Greece did not even exist so put that in your pipe and smoke it.

I take it that 'emoticon' is an indicator of the validity of the statement which follows it .... or a show of how you summon-up your jingoistic and unrealistic mythological beliefs