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Turkish Cypriot attitudes to Cypriotism

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Are Turkish Cypriots ready to abandon their Turkish Culture and adopt Cypriotism?

a). I'm Turkish Cypriot who is happy to adopt Cypriotism but not at the expense of my Turkish Culture and Inheritance,
4
40%
b). I'm Turkish Cypriot who will never adopt Cypriotism but only maintain my Turkishness,
1
10%
c). I'm Turkish Cypriot and believe that Cypriotism is a cunning plan to ASSIMULATE all Turkish Cypriots, or
2
20%
d). I'm Turkish Cypriot and believe that Cypriotism is an anti TC racist ploy.
3
30%
 
Total votes : 10

Postby denizaksulu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:19 pm

CBBB wrote:Did I miss something?



Not much. Jus a village idiot abusing a bit of common sense.

I wish 'the Cypriot' would keep his word :roll:


What a farce!!
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:25 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
I wish 'the Cypriot' would keep his word :roll:


You mean not engage - even indirectly - with, Lit? OK. Sorry.
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Postby CBBB » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:30 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
I wish 'the Cypriot' would keep his word :roll:


You mean not engage - even indirectly - with, Lit? OK. Sorry.


I must have missed something important, "The Cypriot" is getting engaged to "Lit"!
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:33 pm

I'm not allowed to comment.
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Postby Oracle » Tue Apr 14, 2009 2:39 pm

The Cypriot wrote:I can believe that. The same can be said I expect for koine in the eastern Med. But today's lingua franca is Engish. And Cypriots will adopt it, as they once adopted koine...


Bravo sweetie, you have met me half way. You harbour the concept of an official language and a language of common daily use, albeit in your id.
(You should nurse this trait of simultaneously sustaining two contradictory facts :wink:)

Where we part, is that you do not accept that man is still capable of continuing to pay 'lip service' to another (usually imperialist) language to further, say, a career. In the modern world, that be English (in Olde tymes; Latin). And still, nurture their own historical, ethnical or regional language (for us; Greek).

Take for example India; English is officially adopted, is spoken by ten times more people than even in the UK, yet it is still treated only as their second language.

So English isn't simply (possibly) the language of the future, it is the language of the present, implemented for global communication (as once Latin was). This may change, as it did for Latin ... or it may now be indelibly etched forever due to computerisation. But behind these Arche-tongues (English or Latin), people have maintained their own languages. Humans are capable, indeed crave such individuality as kin-groups.

You and your xerokefallo mate (my dear GR!), are a rare breed; possessing (vestiges of) common sense, but voluntarily, needlessly shedding their heritage to whichever temporary foreign (Turkey/UK) wind prevails. :roll:
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Postby Get Real! » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:23 pm

Oracle wrote:...possessing (vestiges of) common sense,

Image That's it woman! Off to your bedroom again and stay there until further notice which won’t be coming anytime soon! 8)
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Postby The Cypriot » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:32 pm

Oracle wrote:Bravo sweetie, you have met me half way. You harbour the concept of an official language and a language of common daily use, albeit in your id.


Thanks, sweetie
I'm very proud of my id! (And it's your id too, I suspect, when you're not trying to be too clever, in polite society... :wink: )

Oracle wrote:(You should nurse this trait of simultaneously sustaining two contradictory facts :wink:)


You're so right about nursing the trait. And God how we need experts in doing so (like you) in Cyprus, genuinely fighting the cause of unity rather than scoring cheap points against the 'other'!

Oracle wrote:Where we part,


Oh please let's not part... let's find common ground.


Oracle wrote:is that you do not accept that man is still capable of continuing to pay 'lip service' to another (usually imperialist) language


that's such a pejorative term, O.... be careful describing English as such. You know there are psychotics around that will react in ways we'd rather they didn't. It's the western world's lingua franca 'cos of the Yanks rather than the Brits. But I do take your point.... (and yes, yes, Henry Kissinger spoke English too)

Oracle wrote: to further, say, a career. In the modern world, that be English (in Olde tymes; Latin). And still, nurture their own historical, ethnical or regional language (for us; Greek).


In polite society in Nicosia maybe... the imported modern standard version... to further say, a career, or social standing. But otherwise, when they're back home, it's back to our wonderful id, (our historical/ethnical/regional language), which my mum taught me. My mother tongue.

Oracle wrote:Take for example India; English is officially adopted, is spoken by ten times more people than even in the UK, yet it is still treated only as their second language.


Can't disagree.

Oracle wrote:So English isn't simply (possibly) the language of the future, it is the language of the present, implemented for global communication (as once Latin was). This may change, as it did for Latin ... or it may now be indelibly etched forever due to computerisation. But behind these Arche-tongues (English or Latin), people have maintained their own languages. Humans are capable, indeed crave such individuality as kin-groups.


I fully agree.

Oracle wrote:You and your xerokefallo mate (my dear GR!),


In my (and your?) id, we'd say xerokellos.... actually we wouldn't. We'd say exibnos gharos. And he'd be proud of that.


Oracle wrote:are a rare breed; possessing (vestiges of) common sense, but voluntarily, needlessly shedding their heritage to whichever temporary foreign (Turkey/UK) wind prevails.


Not at all. I've spent a lot of time preserving my id... and other important parts of Cypriot heritage. I've even managed to claim back certain historic personages that others were needlessly giving away. :wink:

Perhaps there's a reason why two such individuals, with (vestiges of) common sense, are pursuing this argument, O. Perhaps we've figured something out.
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Postby CBBB » Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:36 pm

Oracle wrote:Take for example India; English is officially adopted, is spoken by ten times more people than even in the UK, yet it is still treated only as their second language.


In the UK most local councils have adopted at least five or six other languages for thier websites! If you are lucky you might find the English version now and then!

Have a look:

http://www.sutton.gov.uk/index.aspx?articleid=2757
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:50 pm

How I miss those tet a tet beteen Oracle and GR. Now there's the new 'kid on the block'..............interesting.

Cant wait to see the fall-out, when O's done with him?

:lol: :lol:
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Postby denizaksulu » Tue Apr 14, 2009 4:52 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:
I wish 'the Cypriot' would keep his word :roll:


You mean not engage - even indirectly - with, Lit? OK. Sorry.



Vee haf a saying in ye olde Turkish, roughly translated as 'say what you mean or mean what you say.
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