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Freedom in the ROC - Is there any hope for the future?

Postby YFred » Sun Apr 12, 2009 12:14 pm

I noticed the admiration of some forum members of a fellow adopted Lurucadi Niyazi Kizilyurek. This article describes perfectly what freedom in the roc has been like as well as other minor irrelevant information like who put the bomb on the Markos Drakos statue. Will the establishment be as in control of the media in the next vote? And if it is what hope for peace?
What hope is there under this regime of censorship?
By Loucas Charalambous

THE PRESIDENT of the CyBC board Makis Keravnos called a meeting on March 26 to discuss a political studio debate during the show ‘To Syzitame’, which had been broadcast three days earlier.

The show dealt with the period between 1960-64 in Cyprus’ history, which has caused much disagreement among Greek Cypriots over the last few months. The guests included people who did not subscribe to the official version of the events from the time – that the inter-communal fighting and the dissolution of partnership state in 1963 was caused by the Turkish Cypriot ‘mutineers’.

Among the guests was journalist Makarios Droushiotis who has studied the period more deeply than most people. The result of his study and research – the most serious to date – is his book titled The First Partition, which uses original sources and contributed decisively in debunking the official version of events.

The show attracted an unusually high viewership for a studio debate, which was quite encouraging as Droushiotis made a mockery of the efforts of some guests to support the official mythology. Until now, the only people who had the right to appear in the shows of the state broadcasting corporation and talk about the events of 1963 were Dr Lyssarides, the late Tassos Papadopoulos, etc. – the people who had helped create the problem and played a prominent part in the clashes.

I remember some years ago, during a similar TV debate, the academic Dr Niazi Kizilyurek, – who appeared on this show as well – mentioned the Akritas organisation and was stopped in his tracks by the presenter. The presenter did not only stop him talking, but also forbade him from mentioning the clandestine organisation again.

The presenter of ‘To Syzitame’, Erini Charalambidou is unique in the history of the CyBC. She is the only presenter who dared to venture outside the suffocating confines of official propaganda and gave a platform for ‘forbidden’ views. This was what riled Keravnos and his political masters. And he called the above-mentioned meeting with the intention of barring Charalambidou’s show from discussing political/historical issues.

This dictatorial behaviour perfectly illustrates the fascistic mentality that has prevailed at the state broadcaster over the last 50 years. CyBC operates in the same way as state broadcasters worked in totalitarian regimes; it is the source and the shield of official mythology.

The distortion of historic reality and the preservation of the myth of Makarios, who, with his political brinkmanship, helped destroy the partnership state and contributed to years of bloodshed, is considered a national duty for the corporation.

Even when the truth is backed by testimony from witnesses of events, CyBC staff behave like the journalists of Tass and Pravda would have behaved under the Soviet Union. Here, Andreas Azinas – one of Makarios’ closest associates during the turbulent period – is ignored when he reveals (interview in Phileleftheros 20 days ago) that the placing of a bomb at the statute of EOKA hero Markos Drakos – the incident that sparked the fighting in 1963 – “was the work of (Polykarpos) Yiorkadjis”.

For years the explosion had been blamed on the Turkish side, but for the CyBC – the official source of information of this country – the revelation was a ‘non-event’ and would never be uttered through its microphones as it undermines official mythology.

Under these circumstances, with the philosophy of the Dark Ages still reigning over our society, is it realistic to expect that there could be a solution of the Cyprus problem, when we cannot even bring ourselves to recognise that we have a share of the blame for its creation?




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Postby Piratis » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:01 pm

The bomb that started the intercommunal conflict was the one placed by TMT in 1958 at the Turkish press office in Nicosia. The TCs used that as an excuse to attack Greek Cypriots, and as a result 100s of innocent people died.

A few days before this incident, on 12th of July 1958, 8 innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriots were massacred by the TCs near Guenyeli.

So those who are promoting the Turkish propaganda trying to show that the inter-communal conflict supposedly started in 1963 are proven false by the facts.

What came first and started the inter-communal conflict were the TC attacks against GCs in 1958, and the collaboration of the TCs with the Colonialists with the aim to deprive the Cypriot people from their freedom and self-determination. What happened in the 60s was merely the continuation of this same conflict, with the Cypriots trying to gain back the rights that had been forcefully and unfairly denied to us by the British and the Turks.

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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Apr 12, 2009 1:24 pm

Piratis wrote:The bomb that started the intercommunal conflict was the one placed by TMT in 1958 at the Turkish press office in Nicosia. The TCs used that as an excuse to attack Greek Cypriots, and as a result 100s of innocent people died.

A few days before this incident, on 12th of July 1958, 8 innocent and unarmed Greek Cypriots were massacred by the TCs near Guenyeli.

So those who are promoting the Turkish propaganda trying to show that the inter-communal conflict supposedly started in 1963 are proven false by the facts.

What came first and started the inter-communal conflict were the TC attacks against GCs in 1958, and the collaboration of the TCs with the Colonialists with the aim to deprive the Cypriot people from their freedom and self-determination. What happened in the 60s was merely the continuation of this same conflict, with the Cypriots trying to gain back the rights that had been forcefully and unfairly denied to us by the British and the Turks.



You continue to peddle the same crap which means nothing...the 1960 agreements were an attempt to wipe the slate clean and start afresh with a new independent Cyprus made up of 2 major communities. Why did you renegge before the ink was dry on your signature and not even accept the supreme court judgement? or not allow us ro return unless we accepted the 13 points of Akritas???
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Postby Sotos » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:22 pm

The slate will be clean when the Cypriot people gain their freedom from the foreign invaders like yourself.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:32 pm

Piratis, I have heard that these eight Greek Cypriots that were murdered near Gonyeli were not so innocent. Have you also heard these rumours?
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Postby Get Real! » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:39 pm

Bananiot wrote:Piratis, I have heard that these eight Greek Cypriots that were murdered near Gonyeli were not so innocent. Have you also heard these rumours?

You can live with rumours or get the facts...

http://thecyprusproblem.100webspace.net ... icle10.htm
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Postby Sotos » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:46 pm

Bananiot wrote:Piratis, I have heard that these eight Greek Cypriots that were murdered near Gonyeli were not so innocent. Have you also heard these rumours?


That kind of rumor is only one that the Turks could say to excuse the murders of innocent and unarmed people! Rumor has it that you are a traitor by the way ;)
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Postby Sotos » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:51 pm

The Turkish community was whipped into a frenzy by broadcasts from Turkey calling for the partition of Cyprus. Violence between the Turks and Cypriots broke out in early June and climaxed when eight Greeks were massacred in a cornfield near the Turkish village of Geunyeli.


This says it all. Especially if you think that it is coming from a British anti-Greek Cypriot website which would have no reason to support what we say.
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Postby Bananiot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:06 pm

So, even after reading the Report, are you seriously saying that these people were completely innocent? This is not to excuse the killings but have you ever spared a thought as to what hundreds of these people were doing, armed with knives, clubs, sticks and pitch forks near mixed villages, where the Turkish Cypriots were the minority? Did they go there to intimidate the Greek Cypriots? What do you think?

I think that only simpletons can seriously argue that the inter communal strife started by one community alone. Chauvinistic and nationalistic elements in both communities are responsible for the strife, the killings and murders. These elements wanted the upheaval, each for a specific cause. The Turkish Cypriots for taksim and the Greek Cypriots for enosis, since each community saw the other as the dire enemy of its holy cause. The Greek Cypriot bigots had no problem in murdering their own Greek Cypriots whom they consider to be a danger to the cause but this was also the strategy of TMT which had no problem in murdering Turkish Cypriots who stood against their plans for partition.

Thus, we can classify Cypriots of the period into 3 main groups.

• Those that wanted enosis and would kill for it.
• Those that wanted taksim and would also kill for it and
• Those that put CYPRUS above anything else and paid a hefty price by the hundreds at the hands of fascists of both communities.

I, my family and all my friends belong to the last group. Our time is yet to come but no doubt, it will come eventually and this island will put its past behind and start afresh, with the two communities working together in peace, as they were meant to be, building bridges of friendship instead of destroying them.
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Postby Piratis » Mon Apr 13, 2009 5:33 pm

Those 8 people were totally innocent and totally unarmed. They were taken near Geunyeli by the British and massacred by Turkish Cypriots.

The Greek Cypriots did not touch the TCs or any other minority on the island. We were fighting against the Colonialists to gain our freedom and self-determination. Self-determination and freedom means that Cyprus can belong wherever the Cypriots want it to belong, and not in some British, Ottoman or any other foreign empire or other construct imposed on Cypriots by force. We have been asking for decades to be allowed to democratically and peacefully decide the destiny of our own island, and this had been denied to us, first by the Ottomans, and then by the British. So yes, we fought to gain our self-determination and it was 100000% our right to do so.

The conflict with the TCs started only after the TCs attacked us and collaborated with the British, and the evidence I provided show this in the most clear way.

Rhodes which also has a Turkish minority united with Greece in 1947. The democratic wish of the people of Rhodes was respected, Rhodes united with the rest of Greece and not a single nose broke over it.

So why would we want any conflict with the TCs or even the British? The only thing we wanted was our self-determination, in the same way that was given to Rhodes.

It is the Turks and the British who attacked us and collaborated in order to deny to us our freedom. We only fought back in order to defend our rights. And this is what we will continue doing. If you think we will ever capitulate to the foreign Imperialists you are very mistaken.
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