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[askimwos]

A challenge at what prize DT? Human lives?
This "challenge" game should have been stopped long ago and well done to the NG and the government that took measures to stop this. So far 16 lives have been lost from tha silly game (9 GC and 7 TC/T). I my self lost a friend due to this stupid "challenge game" during my military service and believe me still it hearts..

[DT.]

A challenge at what prize DT? Human lives?
This "challenge" game should have been stopped long ago and well done to the NG and the government that took measures to stop this. So far 16 lives have been lost from tha silly game (9 GC and 7 TC/T). I my self have lost a friend duw to this "practice" during my military service and believe me still hearts..

Its a cease fire line. There's soldiers with live ammo facing each other.

I said it was frowned upon and my objection was about AKEL making a big deal of it.

[Paphitis]

Interesting fact about the soldier who crossed over. IN the 90's while doing service this was a very common occurrence for both turkish and Cypriot soldeirs.

It was considered a bit of a challenge for those thats served on the green line to sign in each others visitor book.

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

Don't CNG and Turkish soldiers also play cards and Tavli on the Green Line?

No

Don't CNG soldiers skylark with their Turkish counterparts?

I think it is more widespread than what you are prepared to admit.

No they don't
You need to do it to understand why it doesn't happen.

The only case was in the 80's when a CNG crossed over for cigarettes from the Turkish guard and the Turks officer shot the CNG soldier on his way back into our side.

Personally I wouldn't attempt it under any circumstances. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

But what about the times CNG conscripts and Turkish Conscripts meet secretly and trade for Turkish and Greek cigarettes or dirty magazines when CO's are not present?

The ones we hear about are the ones that got caught by their CO, got shot or got hurt. What about all the other incidents of CNG and Turkish Army interaction and signing each others visitor books etc etc?

[DT.]

Interesting fact about the soldier who crossed over. IN the 90's while doing service this was a very common occurrence for both turkish and Cypriot soldeirs.

It was considered a bit of a challenge for those thats served on the green line to sign in each others visitor book.

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

Don't CNG and Turkish soldiers also play cards and Tavli on the Green Line?

No

Don't CNG soldiers skylark with their Turkish counterparts?

I think it is more widespread than what you are prepared to admit.

No they don't
You need to do it to understand why it doesn't happen.

The only case was in the 80's when a CNG crossed over for cigarettes from the Turkish guard and the Turks officer shot the CNG soldier on his way back into our side.

Personally I wouldn't attempt it under any circumstances. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

But what about the times CNG conscripts and Turkish Conscripts meet secretly and trade for Turkish and Greek cigarettes or dirty magazines when CO's are not present?

The ones we hear about are the ones that got caught by their CO, got shot or got hurt. What about all the other incidents of CNG and Turkish Army interaction and signing each others visitor books etc etc?

Signing each other's visitor book is an insult. It means I've been here...you were asleep and I could have killed you.

[Paphitis]

Interesting fact about the soldier who crossed over. IN the 90's while doing service this was a very common occurrence for both turkish and Cypriot soldeirs.

It was considered a bit of a challenge for those thats served on the green line to sign in each others visitor book.

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

Don't CNG and Turkish soldiers also play cards and Tavli on the Green Line?

No

Don't CNG soldiers skylark with their Turkish counterparts?

I think it is more widespread than what you are prepared to admit.

No they don't
You need to do it to understand why it doesn't happen.

The only case was in the 80's when a CNG crossed over for cigarettes from the Turkish guard and the Turks officer shot the CNG soldier on his way back into our side.

Personally I wouldn't attempt it under any circumstances. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

But what about the times CNG conscripts and Turkish Conscripts meet secretly and trade for Turkish and Greek cigarettes or dirty magazines when CO's are not present?

The ones we hear about are the ones that got caught by their CO, got shot or got hurt. What about all the other incidents of CNG and Turkish Army interaction and signing each others visitor books etc etc?

Signing each other's visitor book is an insult. It means I've been here...you were asleep and I could have killed you.

So what you are saying is that both parties are playing high risk war games.

Sneaking up to each others sentry posts is risking their own life at the very least, but at worst it is risking the cease fire status quo.

What is the CNG doing to prevent this potentially disastrous behavior?

And what about all the other instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are meeting up to trade cigarettes, alcohol, dirty magazines or just skylark?

What about instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are throwing rocks at each others sentry post?

[DT.]

Interesting fact about the soldier who crossed over. IN the 90's while doing service this was a very common occurrence for both turkish and Cypriot soldeirs.

It was considered a bit of a challenge for those thats served on the green line to sign in each others visitor book.

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

Don't CNG and Turkish soldiers also play cards and Tavli on the Green Line?

No

Don't CNG soldiers skylark with their Turkish counterparts?

I think it is more widespread than what you are prepared to admit.

No they don't
You need to do it to understand why it doesn't happen.

The only case was in the 80's when a CNG crossed over for cigarettes from the Turkish guard and the Turks officer shot the CNG soldier on his way back into our side.

Personally I wouldn't attempt it under any circumstances. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

But what about the times CNG conscripts and Turkish Conscripts meet secretly and trade for Turkish and Greek cigarettes or dirty magazines when CO's are not present?

The ones we hear about are the ones that got caught by their CO, got shot or got hurt. What about all the other incidents of CNG and Turkish Army interaction and signing each others visitor books etc etc?

Signing each other's visitor book is an insult. It means I've been here...you were asleep and I could have killed you.

So what you are saying is that both parties are playing high risk war games.

Sneaking up to each others sentry posts is risking their own life at the very least, but at worst it is risking the cease fire status quo.

What is the CNG doing to prevent this potentially disastrous behavior?

And what about all the other instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are meeting up to trade cigarettes, alcohol, dirty magazines or just skylarking?

What about instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are throwing rocks at each other's sentry post?

Its a cease fire line

[Paphitis]

Interesting fact about the soldier who crossed over. IN the 90's while doing service this was a very common occurrence for both turkish and Cypriot soldeirs.

It was considered a bit of a challenge for those thats served on the green line to sign in each others visitor book.

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

Don't CNG and Turkish soldiers also play cards and Tavli on the Green Line?

No

Don't CNG soldiers skylark with their Turkish counterparts?

I think it is more widespread than what you are prepared to admit.

No they don't
You need to do it to understand why it doesn't happen.

The only case was in the 80's when a CNG crossed over for cigarettes from the Turkish guard and the Turks officer shot the CNG soldier on his way back into our side.

Personally I wouldn't attempt it under any circumstances. It is like playing Russian Roulette.

But what about the times CNG conscripts and Turkish Conscripts meet secretly and trade for Turkish and Greek cigarettes or dirty magazines when CO's are not present?

The ones we hear about are the ones that got caught by their CO, got shot or got hurt. What about all the other incidents of CNG and Turkish Army interaction and signing each others visitor books etc etc?

Signing each other's visitor book is an insult. It means I've been here...you were asleep and I could have killed you.

So what you are saying is that both parties are playing high risk war games.

Sneaking up to each others sentry posts is risking their own life at the very least, but at worst it is risking the cease fire status quo.

What is the CNG doing to prevent this potentially disastrous behavior?

And what about all the other instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are meeting up to trade cigarettes, alcohol, dirty magazines or just skylarking?

What about instances where CNG conscripts and Turkish Army conscripts are throwing rocks at each other's sentry post?

Its a cease fire line

Thanks for that.

What are you saying?

That because it is a cease fire line the above things I mention do not happen?

[DT.]

Lots of things happen on a cease fire line. Depends on the mood in the country at the moment the cease fire line seems to exaggerate it. If the situation is tense then you'll feel it 100 times more on the green line. If there's a feeling of reconciliation then you'll also feel that. '

It takes a lot of balls to man the green line and I don't think anyone that hasn't experienced it can comment or criticise it fairly.

I'm leaving it here.

[Paphitis]

Lots of things happen on a cease fire line. Depends on the mood in the country at the moment the cease fire line seems to exaggerate it. If the situation is tense then you'll feel it 100 times more on the green line. If there's a feeling of reconciliation then you'll also feel that. '

It takes a lot of balls to man the green line and I don't think anyone that hasn't experienced it can comment or criticise it fairly.

I'm leaving it here.

I have experienced many things DT and many much more dangerous that manning the Green Line. If we meet I can take you through my albums.

So you admit that this kind of behavior occurs. That's all I wanted to know.

I am not criticising anyone manning the Green Line. I am just trying to get an insight as to the level of skylarking in a potentially dangerous environment.

At best it also denotes a lack of discipline within the CNG's ranks. Skylarking also has the potential to risk the lives of other Cyprus National Guardsmen and jeopardising the status quo.

The CNG soldier that pulled down the Turkish Flag should be Court Marshalled.

[Paphitis]

DT Wote:

AKEL should have kept quiet about this just like it has been for so many years and leave it as what it is...a frowned upon moral boosting exercise.

AKEL have done the right thing here.

AKEL needs to make an example of this CNG soldier because he has endangered the lives of other CNG soldiers manning the Green Line and also the public.

This is not jut a "frowned upon moral boosting excercise". Not having his safety pin engaged is frowned upon. But sneaking across the Green Line is just stupid!

Will the soldier be Court Marshalled?