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[Get Real!]

Its strange how experienced Cyprus Forum posters are taken in so easily.

Do you not see a troll when it posts

What's wrong with you lot, where's oriface or whatever her name is?

She would have seen through this in seconds.

Floda is a troll, designing posts to get you going.

Who is Floda?

Lets have a think? Who was the worst dictator in history? What was his name? Hitler, thats it!

What was his first name? Was it............?

Come on, wakey, wakey!

rawk

Hmm let me think… who the hell is Hsub???

[Floda]

Its strange how experienced Cyprus Forum posters are taken in so easily.

Do you not see a troll when it posts

What's wrong with you lot, where's oriface or whatever her name is?

She would have seen through this in seconds.

Floda is a troll, designing posts to get you going.

Who is Floda?

Lets have a think? Who was the worst dictator in history? What was his name? Hitler, thats it!

What was his first name? Was it............?

Come on, wakey, wakey!

rawk

0R, More to the point [since Psycho made the same inane observation YOU have just made many moons ago] which member [judging by the value of posts past and current] seems to have his head rammed up his own jacksie ?.

I'll give you a clue as to a possible candidate..............kwar?.........

[Oracle]

Oracle! That's it.

Exit Floda, Adolf, etc. stage left.

rawk

Sorted your amnesia?

Decided who was the "worst" and best dictator in history?

What conundrums and conspiracies you do conjure up!

Now, deal with your flax-seed filled, pongid cranium.

[RichardB]

Whilst I am sure most of us agree that the situation in Zimbabwe is at present quiet dire to say the least .I believe that people should look more closely into the reasons why instead of just jumping on the 'Tabloid' bandwagon and laying all the blame at the feet of Mugabe.

For many years this country has had to put up with the most terrible sanctions imposed by the west.

I am completely opposed to the sanctions being imposed on Zimbabwe by the United States and European Union. For the President of the USA (George Bush at the time) to tell the that Zimbabwe is a “tyrannical regime” and call for pressure to be put on President Robert Mugabe to “allow greater freedoms” is rank hypocrisy. The Bush administration which was and is responsible for the continuing occupation of Iraq with all the indescribable suffering of the population that entails, supports all kinds of oppressive regimes in Africa and throughout the world.

i am surprised that no-one has brought the name of Morgan Tsanderai into this debate. My personal feelings are that this man was given total support by western governments in order for them to lay their bed in Zimbabwe.

Re Nelson Mandela whose name has been mentioned I agree with the comments of Boomers and Floda re this former terrorist (in the eyes of the west) who has now become mainstream and acceptable.

Why is this same support not being offered unconditionally to the Mugabe Govt ( Oh I know he refuses to bow down and lick arse)

[Floda]

Well put RichardB, it is comforting to know that there are some members capable of thinking for themselves, which DOES NOT imply that such persons are supporters of every act of terrorism the gutter press reports on and scatters like breadcrumbs among starving pigeons.

One should always consider the reasons for ANY serious events taking place in this troubled world, one should also take heed of the fact that recent revelations in many areas of reporting have been exposed as LIES.

Surely it should occur to even the most gullible, that the possibility of deception by the press is one of their strongest weapons in the pursuit of manipulating the general population.

Morgan Tsvangarai is most certainly a selected candidate and his purpose is to ensure that yet another puppet government is created in Africa, unfortunately, for those who envisage such a situation, Mugabe stands firm.

Good Luck to him, regardless of all the bad press and the brainless snarling wolves [some in the guise of forum members ] who lend their own thinking capacity to the said manipulators, so glad YOU are not among them.

[Free Spirit]

Why is this same support not being offered unconditionally to the Mugabe Govt ( Oh I know he refuses to bow down and lick arse)

From the bread bin of Africa to the dustbin of Africa wow some achievment.
You're as bad as Get Real

[miltiades]

FROM THE ZIMBABWE TIMES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TWO PLONKERS IN SUPPORT OF MUGABE WHO RATHER THAN USE THEIR BRAIN INSTEAD THEY ARE FARTING A LOAD OF SHIT .READ IT PLONKERS YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING.WHEN YOU FINISH CHECK OUT THE ZIMBABWE TIMES YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING BUT I DOUBT IT, ONCE A PLONKER ALWAYS A PLONKER !
ps. Take into account that Western press as well as International press is banned from Zimbabwe , the writer of the following article is not free to express truly what really happens in Zimbabwe .
Robert Mugabe has been the biggest disaster in Zimambees history and is rated as the worlds no 7 worst dictator. How the fuck can these two Plonkers compare Mugabe to Neslon Mandela for fucksake >



April 15, 2009

By Tendai Dumbutshena

IT IS no secret that the one major issue that ruptured relations between Robert Mugabe’s government and the West was the invasion and expropriation of white-owned farms in Zimbabwe which began in 2000.

Mugabe, with the support of many in Zimbabwe, the SADC region and the rest of Africa, argued that this was a long-overdue redress of an historic injustice. Land had to be restored to its rightful owners. He maintained that his government neither had the responsibility nor the resources to pay compensation for the land.

The British as the colonial power had that responsibility. All his government undertook to do was to pay compensation for improvements on the land.

Western countries and others even inside Zimbabwe saw it differently. They argued that the expropriations were done in a violent and chaotic manner bound to lead to the destruction of the agricultural sector and ultimately the economy itself.

The land acquired was mainly given to Mugabe’s cronies while its stated beneficiaries, landless blacks, continued to live in poverty and squalor. They also maintained that compensation had to be paid for expropriated land. Western nations are capitalistic. The essence of capitalism is the sanctity of private property whose expropriation where required in the national interest must be met with fair compensation.

Images on television of white farmers being assaulted and driven off farms only served to harden attitudes in the West particularly in Great Britain. Mugabe’s violence and manipulation of elections in 2002 gave the European Union and United States an opportunity to take punitive measures against his regime.

It is impossible for the two conflicting views on the land issue in Zimbabwe to be reconciled. What is clear, however, is that the new inclusive government in Harare is bankrupt. It cannot even pay its own ministers, legislators, civil servants, teachers, police and defence forces.

It has appealed for US$8.5 billion to fund economic recovery. What is also clear is that SADC leaders who put enormous pressure on the MDC to be part of this inclusive government have no money to give to Zimbabwe. All Mugabe’s government got in concrete terms at the last SADC summit held in Swaziland precisely to discuss financial assistance for Zimbabwe was a paltry US$30 million from South Africa.

Predictably SADC leaders expect the money to come from the West which Mugabe routinely vilifies as an article of faith. When this finally dawned on the Harare government its leaders including Mugabe met at Victoria Falls and resolved to urgently improve relations with the West to get the money. The West’s conditions for such assistance are well known. In response the Victoria Falls meeting resolved to address these concerns within 100 days.

A number of questions are worth asking? The Global Political Agreement (GPA) was signed on 15 September, 2008 – seven months ago. All issues pertaining to political reforms and human rights were contained in the GPA and Memorandum of Understanding that preceded it. Why do these issues remain outstanding after such a long time?

What is so difficult about repealing repressive legislation such as POSA and AIPPA? Why the delay in allowing the media to operate freely? Why does the government need an extra 100 days to, for example, lift the ban on international networks such as CNN, BBC, SKY and South Africa’s eTV. The above list of banned foreign media is by no means exhaustive.

Why do some MDC and civil society members still face charges for crimes that were not committed while those who actually murdered and tortured people have not been brought to justice? Where are the seven missing MDC members?

When will Roy Bennett be sworn in as deputy Minister of Agriculture? Will it also be done within the next 100 days? When will the endless talking stop and actual deeds begin?

Whether Mugabe likes it or not the issue of property rights is very important to the West and entire business community. In fact it lies at the heart of the West’s reluctance to embrace the inclusive government. The continuation of land invasions – whether these are new or old is immaterial – confirms that property rights in Zimbabwe are not honoured.

A ruling by the SADC tribunal in favour of white farmers in Zimbabwe was contemptuously rejected by Mugabe and others in his government. Court orders not acceptable to Mugabe are ignored. The issue of property rights was raised by a delegation of South African businessmen and women last week in Harare.

These were not white Westerners. Business persons from any part of the world including Mugabe’s beloved China want property rights and investments protected. They want to operate in a country where agreements are honoured and court rulings enforced. Until farm invasions and the prosecution of some white farmers stop, the Zimbabwe government cannot expect much more than the dribs and drabs it is getting now just to keep soul and body together.

This much they were reminded yet again by the German Ambassador to Zimbabwe, Dr Albrecht Conze and his American counterpart James McGhee in separate addresses in Harare last week.

Whatever one may think of Mugabe he is certainly not stupid or naïve. He knows that the West will not move an inch in terms of rendering substantial developmental aid if farm invasions continue. Attitudes in major Western capitals harden each time Mugabe cocks a snook at them by reaffirming his support for land invasions. He did so emphatically at his 85th birthday bash last February.

Last week he said the same to the Zanu-PF party faithful. Over two weeks ago in the presence of a visiting Norwegian minister he told the West to “go hang” over its demands for political and economic reforms.

An obvious question to ask is why Mugabe continues to utter statements that he knows undermine efforts to get Western assistance for his country. What is the point of meeting at Victoria Falls and issuing a communiqué whose central message Mugabe soon undermines? Is he playing a game of deception? Is he stringing the MDC leadership along while he plots something sinister with the men of violence who surround him? Has he calculated that it is not in his interests for this inclusive government to succeed hence the need to undermine it?

Or is it the case that a faction within Zanu-PF opposed to the inclusive government is behind the ongoing land invasions? Is Mugabe secretly working in cahoots with this faction reportedly supported by service chiefs? If not, is this faction now outside his control? Does he feel the need to periodically attack the West and support land invasions in order to placate this faction? Why the mixed messages?

Whatever it is the end-result is the same. Western nations and others will not use their taxpayers’ money to support a government led by a man not committed to the changes that are required. They know that Mugabe still calls the shots in the inclusive government despite problems he obviously has within his party.

Assurances from Prime Minister Morgan Tsvangirai and his ministers count for nothing. In a major speech about three weeks ago the MDC leader threatened to arrest those who continued to invade farms and disrupt production. The mayhem continues and not a single person has been arrested. It is his people who languish in jail. The people who enforce law and order have disdain for Tsvangirai.

The MDC leadership must get real. It is excited beyond measure by the new titles, cars and other trappings of office. Its view of this inclusive government is defined by the material benefits it has yielded to those in government. Others are in the queue waiting for Mugabe to change his mind over governorships and other cushy jobs currently reserved for Zanu-PF members only. Such self-interest blinds the MDC leadership to what is actually going on.

Tsvangirai and his colleagues must wake up from their comfort-induced slumber.

Serious people never allow themselves to be victims of naiveté or blinkered optimism. There is something sinister brewing in Mugabe’s mind. There is something sinister being hatched within Zanu-PF. If the MDC continues to act as if it has a genuine partner in this charade called an inclusive government a terrible fate awaits it.

[Free Spirit]

FROM THE ZIMBABWE TIMES FOR THE BENEFIT OF THE TWO PLONKERS IN SUPPORT OF MUGABE WHO RATHER THAN USE THEIR BRAIN INSTEAD THEY ARE FARTING A LOAD OF SHIT .READ IT PLONKERS YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING.WHEN YOU FINISH CHECK OUT THE ZIMBABWE TIMES YOU MAY LEARN SOMETHING BUT I DOUBT IT, ONCE A PLONKER ALWAYS A PLONKER !.

You're wasting your time; you can't educate pork.