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[boomerang]

and what story would that be?...events of 63-67 and then Talat tells Clinton how she should accomodate ethnic cleansing and colonizing...something the US is unable or more to the point unwilling to endorse?...coz if she did then China will invade Taiwan, coz she reckons the island belong to her...Georgia losing ground, the azeris fcuked once more...

What exactly is the story Talat will be telling....maybe the countless UN resolutions condemning Turkey and the occupation....Something the US voted against?...

Don't you understand that the only way he will be percieved is the way of the joker?...a clown and nothing more...

You sound shit scared....

yeah really shitting my pants...

but you omitted to tell me what exactly he is going to discuss...care to elaborate your side of the story?

Why are you so concerned?

Did you read concern in that?...I will refrase the question...

Why would I be shit scared?...

That the monopoly you have enjoyed for the last 46 years is finally coming to an end.

And you think ethnic cleansing and colonozing is the way to go?...somehow I do not think so...turkey doesn't seem to think so, otherwise she wouldn't apply for EU membership knowing the rules...

The monopoly is here to stay, and not only stay, is actually enchanced via the way of EU membership...

Time a lot of time will prove me right, nothing stays the same the TCs time to shine will come.

yeap as long as they keep on sending you money you will wait...the moment they stop you will rebel...

Time waits for no one....the tcs will disappear and you will still be waiting...you are outnumbered as we speak...in 10 years extinction is on the cards...so who is going to be waiting?

Isnt it you GCs who claim we TC arrived 450 years ago and the new generation only 35 years...the choice is yours because we have made ours in 30 years the population in the north will out number yours will you then be supporting majority rule without safeguards when faced with second generation Turks who have no affliaition to anything Cypriot?

But we will still be around...what about you?

I think after 450 years and I said this in the past you are a Cypriot...so asking the obvious from me is a non starter...I just fought with pretty boy about the greek thingie...you need to pay attention to what is said...

Just think Australia became a nation in just over 200 years why can't you be a Cypriot in over 450 years...

Hey Viewpoint unlike you I live in a multicultural society far removed from motherland bullshit...I have turkish friends and customers...I evolved from the bullshit so please stop asking me silly questions...

and if you have been to Cyprus for 450 years that does not make you a turk but an ottoman...You have as much to do with Turkey as I have with Greece which amounts to sweet fuck all...

Your choice I respect that but the current situation will ensure our becoming more and more Turkish and less and less Cypriot we made that decision in 1974...the alternative was unthinkable..the real question ow is are you ready to accept that you will not want unificaiton with 2nd genration Turks whos numbers will represent the majority in a new united Cyprus??

Viewpoint...I come from a multicultural society...I am a minority...but this does not come into the equation as my human rights are intact...

If that is the case so be it...but where are you going to be standing?...on the sidelines, coz if they allegence is to Turkey we will both be fucked...is that what you want?

What about if the talks get nowhere and you start disappearing and in 30 years we have agreed partition...what will be your position?

[Viewpoint]

boomerang as far as the TCs are concerned the dye has been cast with no solution the TCs will become more and more Turkish and less Cypriot this is inevatable as our children study in Turkey and marry local Turks that settled here 35 years ago or directly while in Turkey. We watch Turkish television and are influenced by them a great deal in 30 to 40 years time we will be a larger and stronger more Turkish population with no real connection the GCs in south Cyprus..you can try and stand still but things will develop in the north and it will not be to the liking of the GCs who will have to negotiate with a growing popuation in the north who if left to time will be larger than the south and demand majority rule. The GCs of today imo are being short sighted with the flexiblity they can show to build a structure that once creates trust and growth natural unification will come faster than they ever imagined but holding out for the maximum will only mean that they will definately lose out over time. do you think they will want to unite with 1 million 2nd generation Turks? the defacto population in the North is nearing 500.000 in the 30 years time this will easily reach above your own population...and you will face negotiating with Turks not TCs the choice is yours.

[boomerang]

so we might as well start negotiating with the real owners of the occupied and stop with the comical Talat...if the population is 500,00 then your days are numbered...extinction to the max...

If you have no problem your community disappearing and you are ok with it then so be it...we just wait and see...

End of the day we reserve the right to cut a deal at any time...might be partition at the end...but the tcs will be read in history books...

[Viewpoint]

so we might as well start negotiating with the real owners of the occupied and stop with the comical Talat...if the population is 500,00 then your days are numbered...extinction to the max...

If you have no problem your community disappearing and you are ok with it then so be it...we just wait and see...

End of the day we reserve the right to cut a deal at any time...might be partition at the end...but the tcs will be read in history books...

boomer the TCs may disapear but there will a bigger Turkish population waiting on your door step which will do to you what you want to do to us today never wish for something as it may just come true but for the Turks in the north, where will you be then? For us we are just returning to our roots...wasnt it you guys that wanted to become Greek by gifting the island to Greece??? some would call you a hypocrite.

If GCs want to build one country with a united people they have to act now and show the vision necessary to address issues which are needed to include TCs not continue to display the same mentality which hasplaced a wedge between our communities...there is absolutely no trust which allows both sides to be more tollerant and understanding as long as the recognized half does not see the realities on the ground and stop demanding maximums the solution with continue to delude people here on Cyprus....really the choice is the GCs are the modern european and visionary enough to compromise a deal that would mean a better future for all living on this island.

[boomerang]

so we might as well start negotiating with the real owners of the occupied and stop with the comical Talat...if the population is 500,00 then your days are numbered...extinction to the max...

If you have no problem your community disappearing and you are ok with it then so be it...we just wait and see...

End of the day we reserve the right to cut a deal at any time...might be partition at the end...but the tcs will be read in history books...

boomer the TCs may disapear but there will a bigger Turkish population waiting on your door step which will do to you what you want to do to us today never wish for something as it may just come true but for the Turks in the north, where will you be then? For us we are just returning to our roots...wasnt it you guys that wanted to become Greek by gifting the island to Greece??? some would call you a hypocrite.

If GCs want to build one country with a united people they have to act now and show the vision necessary to address issues which are needed to include TCs not continue to display the same mentality which hasplaced a wedge between our communities...there is absolutely no trust which allows both sides to be more tollerant and understanding as long as the recognized half does not see the realities on the ground and stop demanding maximums the solution with continue to delude people here on Cyprus....really the choice is the GCs are the modern european and visionary enough to compromise a deal that would mean a better future for all living on this island.

VP noty everyone wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece...a demand from the US pushed extremists to the max for the events of 74...

We had a quarantorship agreements in case of flare ups...this didn;t work out...

Talat under instructions from Turkey is demanding the asme...what is hyocritical is demanding the same quarantees...if they didn't work out the first time what makes you think they will work out the second time...

What we need is 2 states northans south and each state caters for it's own citizens...Like New South Wales and Vistoria...my needs in Victoria are quite different form the needs to someone form Sydney...

We need a strong government, not a weak government,...

If we are going to unite we need to get it spot on or we will have troubles down the line...

Why chose models from federation that resemble conferations?...why do we look at models that actually are prove...we have a good model in Australia...

My human rights are right up there, no one mesees with them...we have checks and balances...Nothing is perfect but I would rather have the australian model than any country in the world...

Nothing is going to be easy...but we will get there...

In the 70 in Australia if you ar=te salami at school you were a wog...if you drunk wine you were a wog...if you spoke your language you were a a wog...

Today I know more about Chinese holidays than anything else...you walk down the street amd you hear different languages...Salami and cheeses are gourmet food...wine drinking is chic...we are a major exporter...all this in a short time of space...

What Turkey demands today as a solution is very unreasonable...Surely you can see this...

And you going back to your roots is only hype...If a partition was agreed today i am wondering how many tcs will actually move to the south...

[Viewpoint]

so we might as well start negotiating with the real owners of the occupied and stop with the comical Talat...if the population is 500,00 then your days are numbered...extinction to the max...

If you have no problem your community disappearing and you are ok with it then so be it...we just wait and see...

End of the day we reserve the right to cut a deal at any time...might be partition at the end...but the tcs will be read in history books...

boomer the TCs may disapear but there will a bigger Turkish population waiting on your door step which will do to you what you want to do to us today never wish for something as it may just come true but for the Turks in the north, where will you be then? For us we are just returning to our roots...wasnt it you guys that wanted to become Greek by gifting the island to Greece??? some would call you a hypocrite.

If GCs want to build one country with a united people they have to act now and show the vision necessary to address issues which are needed to include TCs not continue to display the same mentality which hasplaced a wedge between our communities...there is absolutely no trust which allows both sides to be more tollerant and understanding as long as the recognized half does not see the realities on the ground and stop demanding maximums the solution with continue to delude people here on Cyprus....really the choice is the GCs are the modern european and visionary enough to compromise a deal that would mean a better future for all living on this island.

VP noty everyone wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece...a demand from the US pushed extremists to the max for the events of 74...

We had a quarantorship agreements in case of flare ups...this didn;t work out...

Talat under instructions from Turkey is demanding the asme...what is hyocritical is demanding the same quarantees...if they didn't work out the first time what makes you think they will work out the second time...

What we need is 2 states northans south and each state caters for it's own citizens...Like New South Wales and Vistoria...my needs in Victoria are quite different form the needs to someone form Sydney...

We need a strong government, not a weak government,...

If we are going to unite we need to get it spot on or we will have troubles down the line...

Why chose models from federation that resemble conferations?...why do we look at models that actually are prove...we have a good model in Australia...

My human rights are right up there, no one mesees with them...we have checks and balances...Nothing is perfect but I would rather have the australian model than any country in the world...

Nothing is going to be easy...but we will get there...

In the 70 in Australia if you ar=te salami at school you were a wog...if you drunk wine you were a wog...if you spoke your language you were a a wog...

Today I know more about Chinese holidays than anything else...you walk down the street amd you hear different languages...Salami and cheeses are gourmet food...wine drinking is chic...we are a major exporter...all this in a short time of space...

What Turkey demands today as a solution is very unreasonable...Surely you can see this...

And you going back to your roots is only hype...If a partition was agreed today i am wondering how many tcs will actually move to the south...

Of course there would always be a few die hards that would throw themselves in the GC laps but believe me the majority like today would prefer to stay north and accept Turkification. I want to be frank here TCs cannot stomach being under the administration of the GCs if they do not have a guaranteed say in their own future.

You appear afraid of Turkeys guarantees which for us was a life line how do you expect us to ditch this? provide a valid alternative and we will say yes but as we all know the EU and UN are not to be trusted in times of crisis.

Any new solution has to accomadate and include TCs as well as GCs we have to both feel part of a new formation thats why safeguards are necessary to make both sides abide by the rules as set out in the constitution and if they should try to vere off track they should also know they will face severe consequencies.

[boomerang]

so we might as well start negotiating with the real owners of the occupied and stop with the comical Talat...if the population is 500,00 then your days are numbered...extinction to the max...

If you have no problem your community disappearing and you are ok with it then so be it...we just wait and see...

End of the day we reserve the right to cut a deal at any time...might be partition at the end...but the tcs will be read in history books...

boomer the TCs may disapear but there will a bigger Turkish population waiting on your door step which will do to you what you want to do to us today never wish for something as it may just come true but for the Turks in the north, where will you be then? For us we are just returning to our roots...wasnt it you guys that wanted to become Greek by gifting the island to Greece??? some would call you a hypocrite.

If GCs want to build one country with a united people they have to act now and show the vision necessary to address issues which are needed to include TCs not continue to display the same mentality which hasplaced a wedge between our communities...there is absolutely no trust which allows both sides to be more tollerant and understanding as long as the recognized half does not see the realities on the ground and stop demanding maximums the solution with continue to delude people here on Cyprus....really the choice is the GCs are the modern european and visionary enough to compromise a deal that would mean a better future for all living on this island.

VP noty everyone wanted to gift Cyprus to Greece...a demand from the US pushed extremists to the max for the events of 74...

We had a quarantorship agreements in case of flare ups...this didn;t work out...

Talat under instructions from Turkey is demanding the asme...what is hyocritical is demanding the same quarantees...if they didn't work out the first time what makes you think they will work out the second time...

What we need is 2 states northans south and each state caters for it's own citizens...Like New South Wales and Vistoria...my needs in Victoria are quite different form the needs to someone form Sydney...

We need a strong government, not a weak government,...

If we are going to unite we need to get it spot on or we will have troubles down the line...

Why chose models from federation that resemble conferations?...why do we look at models that actually are prove...we have a good model in Australia...

My human rights are right up there, no one mesees with them...we have checks and balances...Nothing is perfect but I would rather have the australian model than any country in the world...

Nothing is going to be easy...but we will get there...

In the 70 in Australia if you ar=te salami at school you were a wog...if you drunk wine you were a wog...if you spoke your language you were a a wog...

Today I know more about Chinese holidays than anything else...you walk down the street amd you hear different languages...Salami and cheeses are gourmet food...wine drinking is chic...we are a major exporter...all this in a short time of space...

What Turkey demands today as a solution is very unreasonable...Surely you can see this...

And you going back to your roots is only hype...If a partition was agreed today i am wondering how many tcs will actually move to the south...

Of course there would always be a few die hards that would throw themselves in the GC laps but believe me the majority like today would prefer to stay north and accept Turkification. I want to be frank here TCs cannot stomach being under the administration of the GCs if they do not have a guaranteed say in their own future.

You appear afraid of Turkeys guarantees which for us was a life line how do you expect us to ditch this? provide a valid alternative and we will say yes but as we all know the EU and UN are not to be trusted in times of crisis.

Any new solution has to accomadate and include TCs as well as GCs we have to both feel part of a new formation thats why safeguards are necessary to make both sides abide by the rules as set out in the constitution and if they should try to vere off track they should also know they will face severe consequencies.

Vp we are in the EU...tcs are getting EU passports...Turkey want sto join the EU and you do not trust the EU..now that is weird...

Why is Talat negotiating then...

I am not sure about your die hards...I think it's a lot more people that you think...and why not...Not long ago Dekatsh was calling everyone a traitor for getting RoC passports and the his own grandkids got them...then he shut up...

We have seen how many tcs here think otherwise to you...

[Viewpoint]

Lets say they do then the Turkification of the north will happen much faster and you will be faced with thousands of tcs asking for their rights in the "RoC" and properties back, that will not change the fact that the north will still not be united with the south and there will be no hope of uniting.

What will the EU do in times of crisis these are member states with no force to intervene and need thousands of meetings to buy a ball point pen let alone save people at risk, please dont ask us to place our safety in their hands as this would encouraging those extremists elements to do their worst.

As for Turkey joining the EU for me thats a non starter at best they will get some sort of special partnership.

You are right President Talat is negotiating, thats why he demands Turkeys guarantees as they are the only ones we feel will tkae action in times of need.

The passport issue if you claim to represent TCs then you cannot say you will not provide passports, how will this look in the eyes of the interntional community? if it is a burden then try cancelling them and see what the outcome will be.

[YFred]

Lets say they do then the Turkification of the north will happen much faster and you will be faced with thousands of tcs asking for their rights in the "RoC" and properties back, that will not change the fact that the north will still not be united with the south and there will be no hope of uniting.

What will the EU do in times of crisis these are member states with no force to intervene and need thousands of meetings to buy a ball point pen let alone save people at risk, please dont ask us to place our safety in their hands as this would encouraging those extremists elements to do their worst.

As for Turkey joining the EU for me thats a non starter at best they will get some sort of special partnership.

You are right President Talat is negotiating, thats why he demands Turkeys guarantees as they are the only ones we feel will tkae action in times of need.

The passport issue if you claim to represent TCs then you cannot say you will not provide passports, how will this look in the eyes of the interntional community? if it is a burden then try cancelling them and see what the outcome will be.

VP, Turkey already has a special partnership with EU. They have been member of the Customs Union since mid 90s. Turkey is not interested in being given anything other than full membership. That is what is being discussed currently. Erdogan said it very clearly not so long ago. GCs are dreaming if they think that they are going to use the EU to force Turkey's hand in any way. Its just a bit of propaganda, it makes the GCs feel better.

[Viewpoint]

Lets say they do then the Turkification of the north will happen much faster and you will be faced with thousands of tcs asking for their rights in the "RoC" and properties back, that will not change the fact that the north will still not be united with the south and there will be no hope of uniting.

What will the EU do in times of crisis these are member states with no force to intervene and need thousands of meetings to buy a ball point pen let alone save people at risk, please dont ask us to place our safety in their hands as this would encouraging those extremists elements to do their worst.

As for Turkey joining the EU for me thats a non starter at best they will get some sort of special partnership.

You are right President Talat is negotiating, thats why he demands Turkeys guarantees as they are the only ones we feel will tkae action in times of need.

The passport issue if you claim to represent TCs then you cannot say you will not provide passports, how will this look in the eyes of the interntional community? if it is a burden then try cancelling them and see what the outcome will be.

VP, Turkey already has a special partnership with EU. They have been member of the Customs Union since mid 90s. Turkey is not interested in being given anything other than full membership. That is what is being discussed currently. Erdogan said it very clearly not so long ago. GCs are dreaming if they think that they are going to use the EU to force Turkey's hand in any way. Its just a bit of propaganda, it makes the GCs feel better.

Imo Turkey is not a European country and although I commend her on steps towards changing which they should continue they have many years to go before they resemble any form of the end product by which time will they want to join an aging and bureacratic ridden union? Then they are faced with a racist and phoebic French Austrian and German public who do not want Turkey in the christian club. The best they will get in 20 years time is a special partnership agreement which will not amount to much.