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[insan]

We r in perfect cooperation with Turkey. None of the Turkish governments has been able to force us anything that we don't want. Our history is crystal clear.

Then please explain to me the policy of Ankara to resettle Anatolians in the north.

I guess it will be the 100th time... Pfff.. plz use search function. I recently posted a very detailed message abt their arrival and gradual breeding either by directly or inter-marriage or completing the legal time length of living in North. Even there's a very detailed academic report abt the settlers on a Norvegian website. If I can find the links to that report I'll post it for u.

[boomerang]

We r in perfect cooperation with Turkey. None of the Turkish governments has been able to force us anything that we don't want. Our history is crystal clear.

Then please explain to me the policy of Ankara to resettle Anatolians in the north.

I guess it will be the 100th time... Pfff.. plz use search function. I recently posted a very detailed message abt their arrival and gradual breeding either by directly or inter-marriage or completing the legal time length of living in North. Even there's a very detailed academic report abt the settlers on a Norvegian website. If I can find the links to that report I'll post it for u.

So when are you gonna start asking for the Anan plan for your fairy "tail"...

or would be like the minority demanding excuses from the majority again...coz I think the turks ain't gonna grand you your wishes a second time around...

[insan]

The fact is that "excessive" number of Turkish troops is the consequence of that we don't have as much military power as GCs have. It's that simple. Another reason of "excessive" number of Turkish troops is they constitute a consuming population for TC community that has limited number of economic resources under isolations. Simple as that.

Look viewpoint: you are telling me the positive effects of their presence. I'm mentioning to you the negative effects, and IMHO, the negative effects are outweighing the positive.

Look Ali, what r the negative effects of Turkish troops?

1. The proportion of Turkish Troops to the civil population is inordinately high, particularly given the proximity of Turkey itself to Cyprus.

2. These troops are not subject to the orders of Talat (or even Gul), but by the Turkish Armed Forces General Staff. This makes their presence as hand at the throat of the civil populace, and Talat's administration.

3. Their "security zones" (look at Famagusta/Maras for example) makes a lot of TCNC's territory off limits to its people.

1- The number of Turkish troops in Cyprus has been determined by taking into account 2 main needs of TC community i previously mentioned above.

2- These troops r subjected to the orders of the Prime Ministry of GOT and it does not hand at the throat of the civil populace, and Talat's administration.

3- In the end, be it either a united Cyprus or 2 seperate states those security zones will be returned to GC, so no TC investment is needed on them. Famagusta/Maras was offered to GC leadership in 1977. Had they accepted it would have beeen restituted to them and would allow abt 40.000 refugees to return their properties.

[miltiades]

The fact that there is a meeting happening is good. Communications are needed. If there was a RoCy "plot" to stop Talat from going earlier, it would have been a rather stupid thing to do, given the rapproachment negotiations between Talat and President Christofas.

hasnt that always been their strongest tool a one sided understanding of the Cyprus problem??

As long as the north is seen to be militarilly occupied and supported, there is not going to be much sympathy regardless of the detente. You call the northern administration Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but - and lets be honest - wouldn't the better term be Turkish Controlled Northern Cyprus?

Call it what you want but without the Turkish Army we would have been mince meat and even today they act as a deterrant for people like Sotos Piriatis Kifeas etc who are just biting at the bit to attack. ıf you do not hear or communicate with both parties how are you supposed to make a sound assesment of the problem and support a solution?

Would you care to remind us how many T/Cs became "mincemeat " some 6 years before the Turkish invasion that you are told was to stop the massacre going on. Presumably you have some figures of the "mincemeat" that took place during the preceding years of the invasion , let us have them !

[DT.]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

Talat, did seve with the TMT. He boasted about it a few years back in an interview in Turkey.

[YFred]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

Talat, did seve with the TMT. He boasted about it a few years back in an interview in Turkey.

That's interesting because he was 11 years old in 1963. He must have been the youngest member.

[turkkan]

Was there ever any doubt that there was a meeting and the GCs managed to delay it?

There was a lot of jubilation by a certain forumer who insisted that talat had made the invitation up. Given the glee shown in the thread where it was announced he would not actually meet talat in turkey at the end this attempt to dismiss this meeting as irrelevant is rather funny.

[Viewpoint]

Hillary was in Europe this past week, so why didn't Talat go and see her then.? I'm sure she could have spent 10 minutes with him during a cigarette break from her busy schedule. This is nothing but a "Talat Goes to Washington" stunt to grab some headlines when he could have helped save the planet by not leaving his "Carbon Footprint" all the way from Cyprus to Washington on a worthless trip concerning the Cyprus Talks.!

What if the meeting takes place, if you are so sure its worthless then you have nothing to worry about and should not sound so shit scared covered up of course by your usual sarcasm. Will you eat your words and apologise for your crap if the meeting does actually take place?

I'm not saying there isn't a meeting taking place nor that it should not happen. All I'm saying is, Hillary was in Talat's back yard earlier this week, so why didn't he go and see her then.? He did not, because "Mr. Talat Goes to Washington" has a nice sound to it. He thinks he can play the roll of James Steward for god sake. I just hate petty politics from armatures, that's all, specially it is nothing but a stunt and Hillary will not give him all the Undemocratic and Human Rights violations he is asking for. It is the EU he needs to convince, not Hillary, and the EU already said OXI to him.!

Like it or not the USA is a world power and the opportunity to put our side of the story is an important step for TCs, you can play it down all you like and use your sarcastic expertise to place minor issues such as location and timing to downgrade such a meeting, but the fact that the GCs shit themselves and objected means they are worried and something is definately brewing and I get a strong feeling that you and your GC friends will not be to happy with whats going to be put to referendum at the endof this years of the begining fo 2010.

[boomerang]

and what story would that be?...events of 63-67 and then Talat tells Clinton how she should accomodate ethnic cleansing and colonizing...something the US is unable or more to the point unwilling to endorse?...coz if she did then China will invade Taiwan, coz she reckons the island belong to her...Georgia losing ground, the azeris fcuked once more...

What exactly is the story Talat will be telling....maybe the countless UN resolutions condemning Turkey and the occupation....Something the US voted against?...

Don't you understand that the only way he will be percieved is the way of the joker?...a clown and nothing more...

[YFred]

and what story would that be?...events of 63-67 and then Talat tells Clinton how she should accomodate ethnic cleansing and colonizing...something the US is unable or more to the point unwilling to endorse?...coz if she did then China will invade Taiwan, coz she reckons the island belong to her...Georgia losing ground, the azeris fcuked once more...

What exactly is the story Talat will be telling....maybe the countless UN resolutions condemning Turkey and the occupation....Something the US voted against?...

Don't you understand that the only way he will be percieved is the way of the joker?...a clown and nothing more...

Times they are a changing old boy.