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[utu]

Call it what you want but without the Turkish Army we would have been mince meat and even today they act as a deterrant for people like Sotos Piriatis Kifeas who are just biting at the bit to attack.

Okay, you regard the Turkish forces as protective, but to an outsider, the number of Turkish troops makes it look more like an occupation than a defensive protective force. That, plus the Turkish military's influence in Turkish politics makes it also a political force in TCNC, and that makes a mockery of your 1983 UDI.

[Viewpoint]

Call it what you want but without the Turkish Army we would have been mince meat and even today they act as a deterrant for people like Sotos Piriatis Kifeas who are just biting at the bit to attack.

Okay, you regard the Turkish forces as protective, but to an outsider, the number of Turkish troops makes it look more like an occupation than a defensive protective force. That, plus the Turkish military's influence in Turkish politics makes it also a political force in TCNC, and that makes a mockery of your 1983 UDI.

What difference do numbers make that is all a ploy to get them reduced and out of here, they will all go once a solution is found and not before why is that so difficult to understand and as for not listening to TCs due to the "occupation" then why are we give a referendum and hold 50% of the balance? The outside world has to talk to us in order to understand our side of the problem to encompass and address our concerns otherwise they will never get us to agree to anything.

[Kikapu]

Hillary was in Europe this past week, so why didn't Talat go and see her then.? I'm sure she could have spent 10 minutes with him during a cigarette break from her busy schedule. This is nothing but a "Talat Goes to Washington" stunt to grab some headlines when he could have helped save the planet by not leaving his "Carbon Footprint" all the way from Cyprus to Washington on a worthless trip concerning the Cyprus Talks.!

What if the meeting takes place, if you are so sure its worthless then you have nothing to worry about and should not sound so shit scared covered up of course by your usual sarcasm. Will you eat your words and apologise for your crap if the meeting does actually take place?

I'm not saying there isn't a meeting taking place nor that it should not happen. All I'm saying is, Hillary was in Talat's back yard earlier this week, so why didn't he go and see her then.? He did not, because "Mr. Talat Goes to Washington" has a nice sound to it. He thinks he can play the roll of James Steward for god sake. I just hate petty politics from armatures, that's all, specially it is nothing but a stunt and Hillary will not give him all the Undemocratic and Human Rights violations he is asking for. It is the EU he needs to convince, not Hillary, and the EU already said OXI to him.!

[eracles]

Sorry viewpoint, you say they will all go, but they don't care about TCs, just Turkey. I know that works for you on a lot of levels but if there were no TCs left in the north (ie. GC Monster Turk Haters form Hell had killed you all like they would love to do at any chance) - the Turkish Army would still be chomping at the bit. They want strategic control of the north...TCs or no TCs. Solution or no solution. 'Based on the island'or by proxy via a secessionist-infatuated state.

[Kikapu]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

[Kikapu]

[YFred]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

Its very sad that you have so little regard for Talat. He spent many years not doing it and not being allowed to come to power. I think with AKP in power we have the best chance for peace. By the end of this year, it may evaporate, especially if Eroglu comes to power and AKP lose the election in Turkey.

[boomerang]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

Its very sad that you have so little regard for Talat. He spent many years not doing it and not being allowed to come to power. I think with AKP in power we have the best chance for peace. By the end of this year, it may evaporate, especially if Eroglu comes to power and AKP lose the election in Turkey.

You haven't really comprehended what kiks actually said...this is quite evident by you going off on a 4x4 terrain...

I will simplify it for you...It makes no difference who the tcs elect...its a mind game to keep you in check...read, real decisions are done at the embassy level...all the way from Ankara...only a fool will believe and argue otherwise...


@kikapu
for the love of god, to help the discussion in moving forward please do not use big words...keep it down to the minimal, just so the slower members can keep abreast...

[utu]

Kicks, you concern for the environment is almost touching. What have you got against Talat for god sake, would you rather have Eroglu which I suspect may have been a TMT member as well as one of the beneficiaries of the stolen GC lands?

What does it matter who is in the "leadership" role. When Turkey tells them to jump, they just reply" How High Sir", or do you think they tell Turkey to "get lost".? I don't think so.!

Its very sad that you have so little regard for Talat. He spent many years not doing it and not being allowed to come to power. I think with AKP in power we have the best chance for peace. By the end of this year, it may evaporate, especially if Eroglu comes to power and AKP lose the election in Turkey.

Talat simply is not in a position to tell Turkey anything. The actions of Turkey to TCNC is not that of state-to-state, but of a state to a protectorate (or more accurately, a colony). Reading the text of the 1983 UDI, it proclaims a sovereign state, but TCNC is anything but sovereign given it's economic and political stranglehold over the administration that is obstensively the "government".

[Get Real!]

The fact that there is a meeting happening is good. Communications are needed. If there was a RoCy "plot" to stop Talat from going earlier, it would have been a rather stupid thing to do, given the rapproachment negotiations between Talat and President Christofas.

hasnt that always been their strongest tool a one sided understanding of the Cyprus problem??

As long as the north is seen to be militarilly occupied and supported, there is not going to be much sympathy regardless of the detente. You call the northern administration Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus, but - and lets be honest - wouldn't the better term be Turkish Controlled Northern Cyprus?

That's pretty close... the official UN and EU name for the “TRNC” is the “subordinate local administration of Turkey”.