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[The Cypriot]

I was recently asked a purely hypothetical question by Piratis:

"If the majority of Cypriots, in an open and fair election, were able to express their democratic will for enosis with modern Greece, would I respect their wishes?

It was a good question, and I replied in the affirmative, though, if able, I would vote against, as I didn't believe it to be in the interests of the Cypriot people, taken as a whole.

I have another, purely hypothetical question, which I'd like to put to Cypriots of all persuasions, those living north, south and throughout the world, as well as those good people of the world with affinities to Cyprus. I apologise if this has already been put forward before.

There is no 'hidden agenda'; just a curiosity to see how the land really lies at this point in history in 2009. And let's not argue about the terms, or percentages, just imagine that this is what's on the table:

If the people of Cyprus were offered the following choice, which would you campaign for:

1. REAL UNITY
One new, reunited Cyprus where all citizens are equal, are Cypriot without distinction, and have to swear allegiance to a new single Cypriot nation within the EU.

2. AGREED PARTITION
An agreed partition where 82% of Cyprus is ceded to Greece (Greek Cyprus) and all the citizens live subject to Greek (and hence EU) law; and 18% of Cyprus is ceded to Turkey (Turkish Cyprus), and its citizens are subject to Turkish law, and who will join the EU at the same time as Turkey, following which the border between Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cyprus becomes like the border between France and Germany.

[alexISS]

voted "a".
I'm not a Cypriot

[kurupetos]

Neither option is available.

[denizaksulu]

In the words of Makarios III, a) is desirable but is it feasible.

It is the ONLY JUST solution IMO. It will mean hard work by the negotiators so that the 'events ' of 1963do not reccur. Agreed Partition, is a tough one. What percentage of (Total) Cypriots would agree to this? It is a good second choice if all else fails.

[The Cypriot]

Neither option is available.

Brevity is the soul of wit. Statements of the obvious aren't.

Hypothetical: from the Greek ὑπόθεσις.

[miltiades]

Only one option is and should be , the one that all peace loving Cypriots would exercise , the unity of our island intact not having parts of it torn and given to foreign countries.

Cyprus's heart must be very heavy having to be denied the right to exist as a nation in its own merit. Strangely enough all international organizations from the UN to the EU recognise Cyprus as an independent country with its own unique identity. Our passports IDs , foreign embassies all have the Cypriot entity yet those that deny Cyprus its divine right of statehood are confused Cypriots who are themselves in denial of their real identity.
LONG LIVE THE CYPRUS E T H N O S !

[DT.]

Only one option is and should be , the one that all peace loving Cypriots would exercise , the unity of our island intact not having parts of it torn and given to foreign countries.

Cyprus's heart must be very heavy having to be denied the right to exist as a nation in its own merit. Strangely enough all international organizations from the UN to the EU recognise Cyprus as an independent country with its own unique identity. Our passports IDs , foreign embassies all have the Cypriot entity yet those that deny Cyprus its divine right of statehood are confused Cypriots who are themselves in denial of their real identity.
LONG LIVE THE CYPRUS E T H N O S !

There is no such thing as a Cypriot ETHNOS.

There is a Cypriot state of which we are proud members but 82% of this state is ethnically Greek.

Just like 98% of the Austrian population is German yet they are still proud to be Austrians.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/econ ... stria.html

Get over this insecurity because you're overcompensating by creating things that simply are not there. I am proud to be a Cypriot, swore my allegiance to the Republic of Cyprus when I did my service and follow the Cypriot National football team religiously (threw the last one in for good measure). BUT I AM NOT ETHNICALLY CYPRIOT SAME AS AN AUSTRIAN IS NOT ETHNICALLY AUSTRIAN.

BTW naturally I voted for option 1

[Piratis]

I fully agree with DT.

Also I fully agree with "option a".

What I don't like however is for the Cypriot people to be "offered options" by foreigners. Cyprus is our island and we should be allowed to have our self-determination, and not just to be offered options, which always serve the interests of those foreigners who make the options, and not the interests of the Cypriot people. (and I am talking about the options actually being offered, not the theoretical options in this thread)

And since DT. talked about Austria, here are some interesting facts:

Austria, with its modern borders, was created out of the main German speaking areas. On November 12, 1918, Austria became a republic called German Austria. The newly formed Austrian parliament asked for union with Germany. Article 2 of its provisional constitution stated: Deutschösterreich ist ein Bestandteil der Deutschen Republik (German Austria is part of the German Republic). Plebiscites in the countries of Tyrol and Salzburg 1919–21 yielded majorities of 98 and 99% in favour of a unification with Germany. It was feared that small Austria was not economically viable. In the end France and Italy prevented the merger, and demanded the construction of an independent Austria that had to remain autonomous for at least 20 years. The Treaty of Saint Germain included a provision that prohibited political or economic union with Germany and forced the country to change its name from the "Republic of German Austria" to the "Republic of Austria," i.e. the First Republic. The German-speaking bordering areas of Bohemia and Moravia (later called the "Sudetenland") were allocated to the newly founded Czechoslovakia. Many Austrians and Germans regarded this as hypocrisy since U.S. president Woodrow Wilson had proclaimed in his famous "Fourteen Points" the "right of self-determination" for all nations.

[insan]

In a globalizing world, there r no foreigners. There r trade and military alliances which the countries r members of... In age of globalization the common interests of the bosses of globaliziton r considered top priority. Then comes the interests of other sub-groups. Though on both sides of Cyprus left wingers(or smooth right wingers) r in power for a while; Cyprus has always been a right wing dominated island. Eastern block was considered as foreigners by right wingers and western block was considered as foreigners by left wingers(At least until the collapse of Eastern block). For example according to right winger Milti, greatest nation on earth Americans cannot be considered as foreigners but 2 most important allies of US r considered as foreigners. It sounds illogical and meaningless to me but let it be for the sake of freedom of speech and freedom of faith.

Let's continue with the "interests" ... In right wing dominated countries, the priority of right wingers is to satisfy the interests of the big bosses of the alliance and get rewarded in return of their services to the globalizing world. Lion's share is distributed among the elite of right wingers and the remaining part is distributed among the masses of working class that usually r left wingers. What a wonderful world, eh? So, where the interests of Cypriots rest in this age of globalization? The ineterests of "Cypriots" depends on which interest group and ethnic group u rely on... These r the facts, so plz stop wasting ur time by telling us heavenly fairy tales.

[miltiades]

Only one option is and should be , the one that all peace loving Cypriots would exercise , the unity of our island intact not having parts of it torn and given to foreign countries.

Cyprus's heart must be very heavy having to be denied the right to exist as a nation in its own merit. Strangely enough all international organizations from the UN to the EU recognise Cyprus as an independent country with its own unique identity. Our passports IDs , foreign embassies all have the Cypriot entity yet those that deny Cyprus its divine right of statehood are confused Cypriots who are themselves in denial of their real identity.
LONG LIVE THE CYPRUS E T H N O S !

There is no such thing as a Cypriot ETHNOS.

There is a Cypriot state of which we are proud members but 82% of this state is ethnically Greek.

Just like 98% of the Austrian population is German yet they are still proud to be Austrians.

http://www.nationsencyclopedia.com/econ ... stria.html

Get over this insecurity because you're overcompensating by creating things that simply are not there. I am proud to be a Cypriot, swore my allegiance to the Republic of Cyprus when I did my service and follow the Cypriot National football team religiously (threw the last one in for good measure). BUT I AM NOT ETHNICALLY CYPRIOT SAME AS AN AUSTRIAN IS NOT ETHNICALLY AUSTRIAN.

BTW naturally I voted for option 1

I still want to know who were the Cypriots who lived on this island some 8600 before the Greeks arrived!! Convince me that during this huge period of time my ancestors were not around in Cyprus as Cypriots and that they were introduced to Cyprus by the Greeks and then I may begin to doubt the Ethnos Of Cyprus.

ps. Is there an Australian Ethnos , or an American ?
I also think that Austrians would disagree with you !!