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[The Cypriot]

(addressed to Byron)
who did you vote for, you fake? Unity or partition?

[YFred]

I would have voted for Unity. But there is about 3 choices for that and if you had allowed the choices I would have voted for the one that is being negotiated right now. But I couldn't bring myself to vote for the same as Piratis and Kifeas, sorry.

So long as its understood that I am voting under protest I am voting for unity.

[miltiades]

Miltiades,

What DT and others are trying to say is that we are Greeks of Cyprus, not Greece. So our allegiance first and foremost is to Cyprus. But this does not stop us being Greek. Being ethnically "Greek" does not only belong to Greece, it belongs to Cyprus also and the diaspora around the world. Greece does not have the monopoly on this. In fact, Greek Cypriots are probably closer to the ancient Greeks than what mainland Greeks are. Your grandchildren aren't going to have a connection with the mainland because you don't. Your connection is to Cyprus and therefore so is hers. This doesn't stop her being Greek.

So our nationality is Cypriot and Cyprus is our home, and we are ethnically Greek. Now can we stop going over the same thing and start focusing on issues that may actually help reunification please!

Simon you have been on the forum for a long time now. You must know I have always referred to G/Cs and T/Cs , have never instigated that either the G/Cs or T/Cs should be referred to as some people do Greek or Turkish speaking Cypriots.
What binds us together is our motherland Cyprus. Denis , Kikapu Bir and so many other T/Cs feel predominantly as I do , Cypriot.That is what matters that the people of Cyprus give their allegiance to their true motherland.
I would never in a million years look at Deniz or any other of my Cypriot compatriots and think of them as part of a minority. I group them all as Cypriots , if they are a minority then so am I .
I fully comprehend the complex definitions of what constitutes ethnicity and nationality , frankly I dont give a damn , if you are a Cypriot then you are of the same ethnicity as I'm , a Cypriot.

Miltiades, I understand your views quite well, however, there is one thing that confuses me. You call yourself a Cypriot above all else, but when pressed specifically, you refer to yourself as a Greek Cypriot. This I understand well and believe it is a perfectly fair view. But then at the same time, you argue that you are an "ethnic Cypriot". This is where I become confused.

If this is the case, then why do you call yourself a Greek Cypriot at all? Where does the Greek come into it? If your nationality and ethnicity is Cypriot, where is the Greek? My point is, we are Greek Cypriots because our ethnicity, culture, religion etc is Greek; and our country is Cyprus, so we are Cypriots. Hence Greek Cypriot. But I'm not sure how your views are compatible.

It seems to me that you (and not just you but many others) seem to think that because we call ourselves Greek, we declare our allegiance to Greece and not Cyprus. That you are Greek OR Cypriot. This is nonsense. Like I said, Greeks are not just indigenious to Greece, but Cyprus as well. Being Greek does not make us any less Cypriot. They are not mutually exclusive but perfectly compatible. Cyprus' welfare will always come first for us, and being Greek at the same time is no contradiction. This is why we are Greek CYPRIOTS and not just Greeks.

Take this example. Say if Crete became independent from Greece, would Cretans suddenly not be ethnic Greeks? Of course not. But they would become Greek Cretans. Crete would be its citizens first priority, and being Greek would be no contradiction to this. This is how it is in Cyprus.

By the way, I would not class the TCs you mentioned as a minority either, because they are not claiming special minority rights like other TCs. They are happy with the 1 Cypriot 1 vote system. Therefore, they are Cypriot nationals like the rest of us.

I don't care much for the Greek in front of Cypriot ., a bit like American Jew , British Jew , Australian Jew etc etc but first and foremost Jews .
Same here mate Greek Cypriots , Turkish Cypriots Armenian and Maronite Cypriots but primarily CYPRIOT.
I do hope you can see the difference between a G/C and a Greek Spartan !
May I also say that the chances of us deriving from the Greeks of Greece are just as high as originating from Asia , OR ANY OTHER PART OF THE MEDITTERANEAN OR INDEED THE M.EAST.
We sustained and evolved as G/Cs primarily as a result of the influence of the ancient Greeks and the Greek civilization that greatly influenced the region if not the entire world. When the Greeks arrived in Cyprus some 3000 years ago they did not encounter a desert island , people are known to have existed on the island for some 8000 plus years where did they come from and most importantly who are their modern day descendants , I will tell who they are mate , today's Greek Cypriots !!!

[Byron]

(addressed to Byron)
who did you vote for, you fake? Unity or partition?

Fake ? what do you mean ?

FYI, I did not place any vote like I believe the majority of the forum members. If you wish you can double check with the Cyprus Forum but then again a secret ballot is supposed ot be secret so why are you anxious to hound those that voted for partition. No Greek Cypriot in their rightful mind would want to vote for partition gratuitously would they?

[The Cypriot]

(addressed to Byron)
who did you vote for, you fake? Unity or partition?

Fake ? what do you mean ?

Fake to the name, Lord Byron, sir. Based on the slogan you used in another thread. Which is why I am being a little short with you.

FYI, I did not place any vote like I believe the majority of the forum members.

I refer you to the answer I gave to VP about how many people vote in these polls. Since when were you and VP on the same side? He didn't vote either.

If you wish you can double check with the Cyprus Forum but then again a secret ballot is supposed ot be secret so why are you anxious to hound those that voted for partition. No Greek Cypriot in their rightful mind would want to vote for partition gratuitously would they?

So there's no reason for you not to vote for unity. (And by all means keep quiet about it if you wish).

[The Cypriot]

I would have voted for Unity. But there is about 3 choices for that and if you had allowed the choices I would have voted for the one that is being negotiated right now. But I couldn't bring myself to vote for the same as Piratis and Kifeas, sorry.

So long as its understood that I am voting under protest I am voting for unity.

I appreciate your candidness. And your vote for unity. It means a lot.

[Byron]

(addressed to Byron)
who did you vote for, you fake? Unity or partition?

Fake ? what do you mean ?

Fake to the name, Lord Byron, sir. Based on the slogan you used in another thread. Which is why I am being a little short with you.

FYI, I did not place any vote like I believe the majority of the forum members.

I refer you to the answer I gave to VP about how many people vote in these polls. Since when were you and VP on the same side? He didn't vote either.

If you wish you can double check with the Cyprus Forum but then again a secret ballot is supposed ot be secret so why are you anxious to hound those that voted for partition. No Greek Cypriot in their rightful mind would want to vote for partition gratuitously would they?

So there's no reason for you not to vote for unity. (And by all means keep quiet about it if you wish).

I do not know where you are trying to take this. I have already replied to you about my view " No Greek Cypriot in their rightful mind would want to vote for partition gratuitously would they?

[miltiades]

Byron , Simon, Christos , VP , Insan ALL voted for partition !!

[The Cypriot]

I do not know where you are trying to take this. I have already replied to you about my view " No Greek Cypriot in their rightful mind would want to vote for partition gratuitously would they?

Fair enough. And not just Greek Cypriots, all Cypriots... in their rightful mind.

[SN2]

We sustained and evolved as G/Cs primarily as a result of the influence of the ancient Greeks and the Greek civilization that greatly influenced the region if not the entire world. When the Greeks arrived in Cyprus some 3000 years ago they did not encounter a desert island

Miltiadis I am sorry but I couldnt stop laughing reading this one.You made my day.

And that is why the Cyprus issue will never be settled , solved or whatever.

Please tell me what does the ancient Greeks being in Cyprus in the past has to do with the people who refer to themselves today as "Greek Cypriots" and live today in southern Cyprus??

What is the relation between ancient Greeks and today's inhabitants of Cyprus who refer to themselves as GC's??

Also I would vote for a United Cyprus....but that is a summer night dream

just to let u know that Greece would be very happy annexing the 82% of Cyprus on two condition only:That the population living on this land would be cleansed along ethnic lines and that they believe the above absurtity that they come from Ancient Greeks.That is Hellenism at its best

Please let me know when the Cyprus Issue is settled