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Real unity or agreed partition?

a. Real unity?
23
66%
b. Agreed partition?
12
34%
 
Total votes : 35

Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:10 pm

denizaksulu wrote:How old is DT? Is it a state secret? :lol:

He is about 10 years younger than me.
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Postby denizaksulu » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:15 pm

I will not ask to be reminded of your age. Its rude. :lol: :lol:

Thaks for the help. :?
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:23 pm

In our hypothetical world, they could have voted for 82% of Cyprus being part of Greece, a whopping 82% (that's grade 'Alpha Ariston') could have been Greek – like Crete – and what's more free from those they consider – and who consider themselves – Turks.

But they didn't, GR! They voted for unity. Real unity!

While I fully understand where you're coming from, I do think it's a reason for optimism. This isn't 1974, it's 2009. And Cyprus is in the EU.

But you have more experience than I on this Forum. So do please carry on playing the "Bad Cop", and I'll play the "Good", if you think there's merit in such a strategy.
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Postby DT. » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:37 pm

Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:How old is DT? Is it a state secret? :lol:

He is about 10 years younger than me.


:lol: Yeah sure...if you were 10 years younger than you are now 8) .

DO i need to remind you that this apoelistas will be ordering you what to do in case of war :lol:
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:38 pm

The Cypriot wrote:In our hypothetical world, they could have voted for 82% of Cyprus being part of Greece, a whopping 82% (that's grade 'Alpha Ariston') could have been Greek – like Crete – and what's more free from those they consider – and who consider themselves – Turks.

But they didn't, GR! They voted for unity. Real unity!

While I fully understand where you're coming from, I do think it's a reason for optimism. This isn't 1974, it's 2009. And Cyprus is in the EU.

But you have more experience than I on this Forum. So do please carry on playing the "Bad Cop", and I'll play the "Good", if you think there's merit in such a strategy.

Your poll is too vague and thus misleading. Have a look at how a proper poll is done that pulls all the snakes out of their holes…

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=290

21% are Greek nationalists and another 21% are Turkish nationalists! That’s 42% of the voters SICK IN THE HEAD!

If some people in this country are sick in the head and we do NOT address the issue, what difference does it make how many bits of paper are signed? Sooner or later they’ll ruin everything again like they did in the past.

I’ve seen it happen before and I don’t want to see it happen again.
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Postby DT. » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:42 pm

miltiades wrote:
DT. wrote:
miltiades wrote:Well , I'm a Cypriot first and foremost and a G/C be default !!!
Just think if all Cypriots felt as I do and of course as indeed thousands of other Cypriots feel. There would be no Cyprob to solve , no majority / minority issues and political parties open to all .
I hate the fact that some Cypriots can only feel comfortable with them selves at being either G/Cs or T/Cs .
LONG LIVE THE ETHNOS OF CYPRUS !!


Milt, you can feel anyway you like, there's nothing wrong with that and I personally like the way you feel. Unfortunately how we feel and the realities surrounding us are 2 different things sometimes.

DT , can you answer this. My daughter was born in the UK , her mother , my wife is English and I of course born in Stroumbi The Great in Paphos.
What is my daughters "ethnicity" ?
I say she is half English , half G/C but above all she feels that she is a Cypriot , nothing mainland Greek about her , would you agree ?
My grandchildren have nothing mainland Greek about them .Their father born in Cyprus , a G/C and as mentioned above their mother half and half , the children both born in Cyprus are 100% Cypriots !!
Here is what a 100% Cypriot looks like at a year old !!!

By enlarging the image you can see the "turnups" and the massive bulge !! Just like grandad .!!

Image


Milt, (good looking lad btw) my wife is quarter Scottish a quarter Norwegian add that to my Cypriot genes and it makes my kids whatever the hell they interpret it to be when they're older (besides really cute)
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:43 pm

DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:How old is DT? Is it a state secret? :lol:

He is about 10 years younger than me.


:lol: Yeah sure...if you were 10 years younger than you are now 8) .

DO i need to remind you that this apoelistas will be ordering you what to do in case of war :lol:

If war ever brakes out DT, don’t come anywhere near me because I won’t have any time or pity for Greek nationalists regardless of their rank, and I mean that.
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Postby DT. » Fri Apr 10, 2009 7:44 pm

Get Real! wrote:
DT. wrote:
Get Real! wrote:
denizaksulu wrote:How old is DT? Is it a state secret? :lol:

He is about 10 years younger than me.


:lol: Yeah sure...if you were 10 years younger than you are now 8) .

DO i need to remind you that this apoelistas will be ordering you what to do in case of war :lol:

If war ever brakes out DT, don’t come anywhere near me because I won’t have any time or pity for Greek nationalists regardless of their rank, and I mean that.


Then I'll have to shoot you and your rabble for insubordination.
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Postby The Cypriot » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:08 pm

Get Real! wrote:Your poll is too vague and thus misleading.


Please expand, GR. Why is it vague? Why is it misleading? I asked people to make a clear choice between their perceived ethnicity and their real motherland. The majority have put reality before perception.

Get Real! wrote:Have a look at how a proper poll is done that pulls all the snakes out of their holes…



http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... &start=290[/quote]

No I saw that. I found it difficult to vote in, as I didn't feel my ethnicity (or the way I choose to perceive it) was represented in any of the options. If others felt the same way, it may have skewed results. (BTW I personally did register a vote in the end).

Get Real! wrote:21% are Greek nationalists and another 21% are Turkish nationalists! That’s 42% of the voters SICK IN THE HEAD!


You did ask them to denounce Greece and Turkey. Some people may not be prepared to do that. And that too may have skewed the results.

Get Real! wrote:If some people in this country are sick in the head and we do NOT address the issue, what difference does it make how many bits of paper are signed? Sooner or later they’ll ruin everything again like they did in the past.


You're being a little too hard on them, in my view. Remember, Cyprus is in the EU, and this will help address the issue and prevent things from being ruined. (And remember, also, I'm the Good Cop).
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Re: Real unity or agreed partition?

Postby Kikapu » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:09 pm

The Cypriot wrote:
1. REAL UNITY
One new, reunited Cyprus where all citizens are equal, are Cypriot without distinction, and have to swear allegiance to a new single Cypriot nation within the EU.

2. AGREED PARTITION
An agreed partition where 82% of Cyprus is ceded to Greece (Greek Cyprus) and all the citizens live subject to Greek (and hence EU) law; and 18% of Cyprus is ceded to Turkey (Turkish Cyprus), and its citizens are subject to Turkish law, and who will join the EU at the same time as Turkey, following which the border between Greek Cyprus and Turkish Cyprus becomes like the border between France and Germany
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Cypriot,

I would like to modify your above option TWO if I may, in the event that is the only option available.

The land percentages should reflect the percentage of total Cypriots wanting to live in the north or the south. This percentage is only for the True Cypriots and does not include any settlers who have been given fake "TC citizenships". Given the option where TC's will become full equal citizens with the GC's as a EU members in the south and the north will become part of the middle east with no hope for a EU, I would bet my bottom dollar, that more than 50% of True TC's would choose to live in the south as True Cypriots in the RoC. This will make the land distribution somewhere around 90% for the south and 10% for the north. This should be acceptable to all the NeoPartitionist, since their concerns are, that they want to have control of their own destiny on the island. Well, this will give it to them, until they realise of course, that their future will be in the hands of the settlers and Turkey, in which case, you better change the land percentages one more time to 95% for the south and 5% for the north as more TC's will want to live in the south.! Ultimately, Turkey will be glad to give back the remaining 5% of the north to the south in exchange for not using her EU veto when the time comes for Turkey to enter the EU. The south will then become one country again at 100% as a True Democracy, same as all the other EU nations. No more Cyprus problems.!
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