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Real unity or agreed partition?

a. Real unity?
23
66%
b. Agreed partition?
12
34%
 
Total votes : 35

Postby Kikapu » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:04 pm

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Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Total rubbish thats how you wish to see things, your expertise in sarcasm does not allow you to realize the damage you do to relations between the 2 communties your comments force the wedge deeper thus increasing the levels of mistrust and doubt. Your lack of understanding and degrading comments will only guarantee one thing..partition. You must feel real proud to be a contributor to this state of affairs but what makes you look even more stupid than you really are is that you do not realize the damage you are doing because your nose is so deeply inbedded in GC arse.


Yes, VP, just blame others for your own fuck ups. You don't need my help to cause any damage between the two communities, because your whole aim here on the forum is to cause problems between the two communities. How else are you expected to keep 29% of the north, so cut the crap. You have issues with me, because I contradict your accusations and claims most of the time which stops you in your tracks from creating hate between the two communities. This is what you don't like, because I do not let you get traction with your hate messages. Trust me, if I was causing a division between the two communities, you would be sending me praises as you do to your fellow Partitionist here on the forum and not condemnations. I don't see you sending condemnations to your fellow NeoPartitionist, so why is that.?


Stops me in my tracks???, you are yet again exagerating and over estimating your worth, the people you continue to allienate is none other than those that you claim (which I still have my doubts) to have derived from (ashamedly for us) the TCs. But of course you are to thick skinned to realize the damage you are doing and the above post proves my point.


The only point proved, is that you cannot peddle your Fascistic crap past me as you think you can to other unsuspecting TC's, because you want them to believe that you have their best interest at heart. Little do they know, it is the best interest of the Fascists NeoPartitionist that you have at heart. I have at least proposed no less than twice a settlement plan where it took the best interest of the True TC's at heart, unlike you where partition is your only aim. Just because we come from the same community, does not mean I have to support your Fascistic views. The fact that you voted for the AP, a Racist, Undemocratic and violations of Human Rights tells me a lot about yourself.!


You are the one who has sold your soul to the GCs and will do everything to lead us down the wrong path, a prime example being the Kikapu plan which was concealed capitulation to GC will and domination, TCs are not stupid and they can smell your kind a mile off. You can argue your point like everyone else but if the majority of TCs reject your one sided viewpoint dont try to lay the blame on us as your ideology is not gospel as you seem to have convinced yourself...there are very few TCs on this forum that agree with you on any matter this must tell you something but I forgot you are so blindly anti TCs that TCs have on many occassions had problems identifying you as a TC but hey I have always believed you are GC and if one day we should unfortunately meet I will spit in your face for selling the TCs out. Not once have you argued anything remotely pro TC and anti GC why is that? is there nothing the GC demand which is not right? Are you a paid GC agent? because you act like one.


Listen clown, my loyalty is to Cyprus as a Cypriot and to all Cypriots who want the best for Cyprus and not to anyone who wishes to tear her apart, as you do. Just the mere fact that you do not want to lift a finger to help the TC's to find True Democracy under True Federation as my plan required, which you yourself approved it at first before realising that 50% of the north needs to be returned back to it's rightful owners, only tells me that you have zero interest in ever having a True Democracy for Cyprus, just because it would shut the partition door on your face with loss of land on top. Majority TC's never rejected my plan, only you once you realised the cost to the Fascist NeoPartitionist and Insan who has another plan in mind, much like the 1960's. Now look who has the arrogance to be so presumptuous that you VP is the majority of the TC’s. Come to think of it, only one GC liked it, DT, so, so much for your pointless ranting of being a "concealed capitulation of the TC's to the GC plan". Don't you think all of the GC's would have jumped on the band wagon along with DT to support such a plan if they felt it was good for them and bad for the TC's. No, they did not, because it gave the TC's everything they asked for, except this time Democratically.

Here is the plan for those who may want to read it.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

I have always believed you are GC and if one day we should unfortunately meet I will spit in your face for selling the TCs out


That is your choice to spit in my face if we should one day meet, VP, just because I want the TC's to live under True Democracy in an "honest society", as long as you understand, that it will also be my choice to decide whether you will be using straws from then on to feed yourself with.! :wink:


Listen Mr Anti TC the capitulation plan you are trying to entice TCs to accept does not have anything to do with land return, that is secondery to the real problem which is the risk you wish to place TCs in by not guaranteeing their only representation rights in the upper house as the lower has been lost on day 1. You never mentioned the dangers and it took me a while to understand the risk you so calmly wished to place us in, I will let others decide what that makes you.

Do as you wish but be prepared to accept the consequencies.


Not only you are a Pathetic Racist Fascist NeoPartionist who does not respect True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws, but also a Pathological LIAR. I have pointed out all the dangers in my proposal if substantial GC land is not returned back to them, so stop with your lies. Read below what was in my proposal and see if anything was concealed from you or the TC's. The fact that your brain is corrupted with partition only, you have failed to read and understand what was in my proposal. Don't blame others for your lack of comprehension in what was written.


Kikapu's BBF Plan wrote:"How much land for each Federal States

As I said from the beginning, there needs to be compromises made on land, if the above power sharing to work. In order for the TC’s to maintain all of their seats and 50% power in the Upper House, almost all the TC’s will need to be in the north state, and far less GC’s in the same state. If we take the present land sizes in the north and the south and kept it that way, within a short period of time, the TC’s will lose one or two Upper House seats to the GC’s if 200,000 GC’s (refugees) move to the north where their land is and where they once lived."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

In any case, I was going to add my “5 year plan” at the end of the original “BBF” plan which our friend Birkibrisli had some concerns in the Federal senators selection process and I was waiting for him to return back to the forum to address them, but I might as well do it soon so that you cannot find anymore silly excuses to justify your partitionist stands and make silly accusations against me that I'm trying to “sell the TC’s out”. This is the era of True Democracy which the EU will not have it any other way, so stop asking for undemocratic guarantees, because I can’t give them to you and neither will anyone else, so it is time for you to grow up and stop demanding things that cannot be gotten anymore, or else you should have asked to go back to the 1960 constitution and not a new “BBF” plan in today’s EU’s democratic world.

Do as you wish but be prepared to accept the consequencies.


Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, that you will just GUM me to death.! :lol:
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Postby Byron » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:08 pm

Mr CYPRIOT WROTE :
Byron, they are TRAITORS to Cyprus. If the poll was the other way round the people who voted for dismemberment would still be TRAITORS to Cyprus.

If the majority of members had voted democratically for PARTITION, you would not have accepted the decision based on your above statement, so how can you call yourself democratic ?

As to HITLER, he was not democratically elected by the German electorate but forced himself to "AUTOCRATIC POWER". There is a big difference.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:20 pm

miltiades wrote:
DT. wrote:Fact 1: You need to apply for you ID
Fact 2: You need to apply for a CY passport
Fact 3: You're asked these days what you want your ID to say if you have dual nationality. Cypriot or Cypriot/British. (was asked and replied Cypriot/British)
Fact 4: Dual nationality is accepted by both the UK and Cyprus.

Fact 5: Raymanoffs last post got me in the mood for a ziafetti tonight.

DT , it goes without saying that one born in Cyprus of Cypriot parents
or one born overseas with either parent having Cypriot connections although entitled to Cypriot ID and passport cant just walk into a government issuing office and demand either. Proper channels have to be followed.
When my daughter who was born in the UK of a Cypriot father and an English mother and applied for a Cypriot ID she had to submit a copy of my original birth certificate and a copy of her mothers passport amongst other require documents ie her own birth certificate.
I do not have a Cypriot passport and have intended to apply for one for some time now just haven't got around it yet.
ps.what on earth is ZIAFETTI , if it ain't something rude that is !!!



Ziyafet (Turkish) = feast

der. frm Arabic.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:22 pm

Byron. I don't really understand what point you're trying to make, nor moreover why you'd be trying to make it. It's not worthy of any more of my time and energy... nor yours, young man.

There are traitors to expose.
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Postby denizaksulu » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:27 pm

The Cypriot wrote:With 31 votes cast, I think we should now conduct an investigation.

I believe those cowardly traitors to/foreign haters of Cyprus, who in 2009 support double-enosis-dismemberment, but are all afraid to admit it, ought to be exposed.

Make no mistake, their presence on the CF is to bring about the destruction of the island. Their contributions should NOT be trusted.

Cypriot patriots/friends, alexISS, DT, Piratis, Milti, Deniz, YFred, T_C, Byron, CBBB, The Cypriot have proudly declared support for real Cypriot unity. Kiks doesn't vote but is on our side; not sure whether GR! voted but his patriotism is unquestionable.

Please do correct me if I've forgotten anyone.

insan openly voted for partition but NOT for union with Turkey/Greece which doesn't quite count as dismemberment. VP questioned the options on offer and was reluctant to vote, although he is a self-confessed supporter of agreed partition (though not necessarily of double-enosis-dismemberment).

Regular contributors to the CF Cyprus problem section not mentioned above (and we all know who you are) have yet to declare themselves and are under suspicion of being enemies to Cyprus.

You can clear your name very easily by proudly declaring your support for real unity like the rest of us.

Otherwise, I hope all other CF members will treat you with the utter contempt you deserve from now on.



The Cypriot, I am surprised at your final analysis. Those that have voted for partition have their own reasons to do so. Before judging them it would have been wiser to get their points of view.

From my two years on this forum, I have read most posts and believe that many GCs would like partition (as well as TCs ofcourse). They have their reasons. Do not label them as traitors. Whatever happened to 'free speech' and 'free thought'.
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Postby Byron » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:44 pm

The Cypriot wrote:Byron. I don't really understand what point you're trying to make, nor moreover why you'd be trying to make it. It's not worthy of any more of my time and energy... nor yours, young man.

There are traitors to expose.


The point I am trying to make is that you are not democratic.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 12:50 pm

denizaksulu wrote:
The Cypriot, I am surprised at your final analysis. Those that have voted for partition have their own reasons to do so.


They didn't just vote for partition, Deniz. They voted for double-enosis-dismemberment. They could have qualified their vote, like insan, or questioned and refused to vote, like VP. These two have my respect.

denizaksulu wrote:Before judging them it would have been wiser to get their points of view.


I'm waiting. None have come out of the shadows so far. I can always withdraw my judgement and apologise.

denizaksulu wrote:From my two years on this forum, I have read most posts and believe that many GCs would like partition (as well as TCs ofcourse).


The choice was for a very specific type of partition.

denizaksulu wrote:They have their reasons. Do not label them as traitors. Whatever happened to 'free speech' and 'free thought'.


Nothing. And I am free to think of them as traitors. And say so.
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Postby The Cypriot » Mon Apr 13, 2009 3:41 pm

Byron wrote:The point I am trying to make is that you are not democratic.


And the point you are actually making is that you have a lot of learning to do.
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Postby Byron » Mon Apr 13, 2009 4:05 pm

CYPRIOT
And the point you are actually making is that you have a lot of learning to do.


YES true indeed, instead of Byorian poetry we can all learn from your friend Hitler the Dictator !!! :wink:
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Postby Viewpoint » Mon Apr 13, 2009 10:33 pm

Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Total rubbish thats how you wish to see things, your expertise in sarcasm does not allow you to realize the damage you do to relations between the 2 communties your comments force the wedge deeper thus increasing the levels of mistrust and doubt. Your lack of understanding and degrading comments will only guarantee one thing..partition. You must feel real proud to be a contributor to this state of affairs but what makes you look even more stupid than you really are is that you do not realize the damage you are doing because your nose is so deeply inbedded in GC arse.


Yes, VP, just blame others for your own fuck ups. You don't need my help to cause any damage between the two communities, because your whole aim here on the forum is to cause problems between the two communities. How else are you expected to keep 29% of the north, so cut the crap. You have issues with me, because I contradict your accusations and claims most of the time which stops you in your tracks from creating hate between the two communities. This is what you don't like, because I do not let you get traction with your hate messages. Trust me, if I was causing a division between the two communities, you would be sending me praises as you do to your fellow Partitionist here on the forum and not condemnations. I don't see you sending condemnations to your fellow NeoPartitionist, so why is that.?


Stops me in my tracks???, you are yet again exagerating and over estimating your worth, the people you continue to allienate is none other than those that you claim (which I still have my doubts) to have derived from (ashamedly for us) the TCs. But of course you are to thick skinned to realize the damage you are doing and the above post proves my point.


The only point proved, is that you cannot peddle your Fascistic crap past me as you think you can to other unsuspecting TC's, because you want them to believe that you have their best interest at heart. Little do they know, it is the best interest of the Fascists NeoPartitionist that you have at heart. I have at least proposed no less than twice a settlement plan where it took the best interest of the True TC's at heart, unlike you where partition is your only aim. Just because we come from the same community, does not mean I have to support your Fascistic views. The fact that you voted for the AP, a Racist, Undemocratic and violations of Human Rights tells me a lot about yourself.!


You are the one who has sold your soul to the GCs and will do everything to lead us down the wrong path, a prime example being the Kikapu plan which was concealed capitulation to GC will and domination, TCs are not stupid and they can smell your kind a mile off. You can argue your point like everyone else but if the majority of TCs reject your one sided viewpoint dont try to lay the blame on us as your ideology is not gospel as you seem to have convinced yourself...there are very few TCs on this forum that agree with you on any matter this must tell you something but I forgot you are so blindly anti TCs that TCs have on many occassions had problems identifying you as a TC but hey I have always believed you are GC and if one day we should unfortunately meet I will spit in your face for selling the TCs out. Not once have you argued anything remotely pro TC and anti GC why is that? is there nothing the GC demand which is not right? Are you a paid GC agent? because you act like one.


Listen clown, my loyalty is to Cyprus as a Cypriot and to all Cypriots who want the best for Cyprus and not to anyone who wishes to tear her apart, as you do. Just the mere fact that you do not want to lift a finger to help the TC's to find True Democracy under True Federation as my plan required, which you yourself approved it at first before realising that 50% of the north needs to be returned back to it's rightful owners, only tells me that you have zero interest in ever having a True Democracy for Cyprus, just because it would shut the partition door on your face with loss of land on top. Majority TC's never rejected my plan, only you once you realised the cost to the Fascist NeoPartitionist and Insan who has another plan in mind, much like the 1960's. Now look who has the arrogance to be so presumptuous that you VP is the majority of the TC’s. Come to think of it, only one GC liked it, DT, so, so much for your pointless ranting of being a "concealed capitulation of the TC's to the GC plan". Don't you think all of the GC's would have jumped on the band wagon along with DT to support such a plan if they felt it was good for them and bad for the TC's. No, they did not, because it gave the TC's everything they asked for, except this time Democratically.

Here is the plan for those who may want to read it.

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

I have always believed you are GC and if one day we should unfortunately meet I will spit in your face for selling the TCs out


That is your choice to spit in my face if we should one day meet, VP, just because I want the TC's to live under True Democracy in an "honest society", as long as you understand, that it will also be my choice to decide whether you will be using straws from then on to feed yourself with.! :wink:


Listen Mr Anti TC the capitulation plan you are trying to entice TCs to accept does not have anything to do with land return, that is secondery to the real problem which is the risk you wish to place TCs in by not guaranteeing their only representation rights in the upper house as the lower has been lost on day 1. You never mentioned the dangers and it took me a while to understand the risk you so calmly wished to place us in, I will let others decide what that makes you.

Do as you wish but be prepared to accept the consequencies.


Not only you are a Pathetic Racist Fascist NeoPartionist who does not respect True Democracy, Human Rights and International Laws, but also a Pathological LIAR. I have pointed out all the dangers in my proposal if substantial GC land is not returned back to them, so stop with your lies. Read below what was in my proposal and see if anything was concealed from you or the TC's. The fact that your brain is corrupted with partition only, you have failed to read and understand what was in my proposal. Don't blame others for your lack of comprehension in what was written.


Kikapu's BBF Plan wrote:"How much land for each Federal States

As I said from the beginning, there needs to be compromises made on land, if the above power sharing to work. In order for the TC’s to maintain all of their seats and 50% power in the Upper House, almost all the TC’s will need to be in the north state, and far less GC’s in the same state. If we take the present land sizes in the north and the south and kept it that way, within a short period of time, the TC’s will lose one or two Upper House seats to the GC’s if 200,000 GC’s (refugees) move to the north where their land is and where they once lived."

http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.php?t=21685

In any case, I was going to add my “5 year plan” at the end of the original “BBF” plan which our friend Birkibrisli had some concerns in the Federal senators selection process and I was waiting for him to return back to the forum to address them, but I might as well do it soon so that you cannot find anymore silly excuses to justify your partitionist stands and make silly accusations against me that I'm trying to “sell the TC’s out”. This is the era of True Democracy which the EU will not have it any other way, so stop asking for undemocratic guarantees, because I can’t give them to you and neither will anyone else, so it is time for you to grow up and stop demanding things that cannot be gotten anymore, or else you should have asked to go back to the 1960 constitution and not a new “BBF” plan in today’s EU’s democratic world.

Do as you wish but be prepared to accept the consequencies.


Yeah, yeah, I know, I know, that you will just GUM me to death.! :lol:


No need for all the garbage above answer the following questions. What guarantees did you install into your plan to ensure the balance of power in the upper house was not lost? If we reduced the land by 50% as you demand could the GCs still use freedom to settle wherever they wish to swing 1 seat and take control of the upper house if they so desired?
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