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Who do these populists think they’re fooling?

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Postby utu » Thu Apr 09, 2009 9:07 pm

Populism is governing purely by the whims and emotions of the mob. Governing means doing the right thing, which does not necessarilly mean doing the popular thing. There is a difference between democracy and mob rule and unfortunately not everyone is appreciative of that...
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Postby Kikapu » Fri Apr 10, 2009 8:48 pm

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Sotos wrote:Maybe international law and human rights are also stupid? :roll:

Which ones, the ones that America signed but can break at will (Guantanamo) or the ones that Israel is allowed to get away with with the blessing of US and UN. Which ones are you refering to Sotos?


He is referring to Bush's International law and Human Rights violation and not Americas. You may have noticed, that Real America is once again restored with Obama. Don't confuse illegal and criminal acts of a deranged leader with the will of the citizens of that country.! Further more, what another nation does in breaking these sacred International laws, does not give you the licence or the excuse to commit further crimes in trying to compete with them. The fact that you are not condemning such inexcusable acts, but instead trying to make justifications for them, makes you no different than Bush's types and shame on you for doing so.!
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:31 pm

Kikapu wrote:
YFred wrote:
Sotos wrote:Maybe international law and human rights are also stupid? :roll:

Which ones, the ones that America signed but can break at will (Guantanamo) or the ones that Israel is allowed to get away with with the blessing of US and UN. Which ones are you refering to Sotos?


He is referring to Bush's International law and Human Rights violation and not Americas. You may have noticed, that Real America is once again restored with Obama. Don't confuse illegal and criminal acts of a deranged leader with the will of the citizens of that country.! Further more, what another nation does in breaking these sacred International laws, does not give you the licence or the excuse to commit further crimes in trying to compete with them. The fact that you are not condemning such inexcusable acts, but instead trying to make justifications for them, makes you no different than Bush's types and shame on you for doing so.!


I fear VP and his ilk are quite happy to sink to their natural level at the bottom of the cesspit whenever they find a suitably appalling example to "justify" their thieving ways.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:37 pm

utu wrote:Populism is governing purely by the whims and emotions of the mob. Governing means doing the right thing, which does not necessarilly mean doing the popular thing. There is a difference between democracy and mob rule and unfortunately not everyone is appreciative of that...


Oh no, it isn't!

What's a "mob" got to do with populism?
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Postby YFred » Fri Apr 10, 2009 9:54 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
Kikapu wrote:
YFred wrote:
Sotos wrote:Maybe international law and human rights are also stupid? :roll:

Which ones, the ones that America signed but can break at will (Guantanamo) or the ones that Israel is allowed to get away with with the blessing of US and UN. Which ones are you refering to Sotos?


He is referring to Bush's International law and Human Rights violation and not Americas. You may have noticed, that Real America is once again restored with Obama. Don't confuse illegal and criminal acts of a deranged leader with the will of the citizens of that country.! Further more, what another nation does in breaking these sacred International laws, does not give you the licence or the excuse to commit further crimes in trying to compete with them. The fact that you are not condemning such inexcusable acts, but instead trying to make justifications for them, makes you no different than Bush's types and shame on you for doing so.!


I fear VP and his ilk are quite happy to sink to their natural level at the bottom of the cesspit whenever they find a suitably appalling example to "justify" their thieving ways.

Now there is a first, we finally agree on something Kicks. International law is such an ass to be so easily hijacked.

And yet you have so much faith in it. That is incredible. How is it that any leader can use it as they wish? Please explain.

Can you also please explain the real purpose of law, particularly as it is based on precedents and it was created when few had stolen most of the common land and needed something to protect themselves from them commies who were after their common land.

When you finish with that can you also explain which law does your beloved roc uses to spend 3 years to check the validity of an EU citizen’s kotchan and still counting, before they can be given their land back. But what the hell while you are at it, can you also explain under which law the roc can charge TCs tax for the land that the GC have been using all this time.
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Postby utu » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:18 pm

bill cobbett wrote:
utu wrote:Populism is governing purely by the whims and emotions of the mob. Governing means doing the right thing, which does not necessarilly mean doing the popular thing. There is a difference between democracy and mob rule and unfortunately not everyone is appreciative of that...


Oh no, it isn't!

What's a "mob" got to do with populism?


Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. That may go some way to answering your question.
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Postby bill cobbett » Fri Apr 10, 2009 10:52 pm

utu wrote:
bill cobbett wrote:
utu wrote:Populism is governing purely by the whims and emotions of the mob. Governing means doing the right thing, which does not necessarilly mean doing the popular thing. There is a difference between democracy and mob rule and unfortunately not everyone is appreciative of that...


Oh no, it isn't!

What's a "mob" got to do with populism?


Read "Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" by William Shirer. That may go some way to answering your question.


Go and research several refs to "populism" and you may be a little wiser as to the hazards of relying on single sources.
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Postby Get Real! » Fri Apr 10, 2009 11:58 pm

Hmm, I always thought populism is the opposite of elitism, or it’s another word for the proletariat if you like older words...
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Postby utu » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:48 am

Get Real! wrote:Hmm, I always thought populism is the opposite of elitism, or it’s another word for the proletariat if you like older words...


A populist is a person who rules by gauging (and exploiting) the prejudices, biases, and stereotypes of the populace. At least that was the meaning given to me by my poli-sci teachers. It is a synomym for a leader of a mob. You could call it "democratic" by saying that the person is going by the desires of the people who elected him, but the exploitation of these prejudices in order to become the leader is populism.
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