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[Viewpoint]

""""""deviation from 100% allegiance to Cyprus is nothing but treason."""
AS POSTED BY GR WHO HATES MY GUTS !!

Absolutely undeniably a trillion percent correct !
You foreign motherland suckers , you doubting Thomases wake up , Cyprus is calling the nation that has existed for 10 thousand years under occupation admittedly but then always as Cyprus. Those that want to gift our nation to a foreign country not least those that have the audacity to demand recognition of the military creation of the invader are kindly requested to check out my signature taken from AFRICA the T/C newspaper.
Enough of this nonsense , Cyprus IS a nation on its own right the entire world agrees and approves of the legality of our nation.

Currently physically divided into two areas and communities.

[The Cypriot]

Its obvious you are talking about Makarios.

Lord? Lord Makarios? Are you orthodox? Are you Cypriot? Lord Makarios?

Mate, you are SO barking up the wrong tree. If you're going to enter into a discussion then pay attention; read carefully what people are saying, as you're wasting your time - and other people's time too. This is your last chance. The next time you do me and others the discourtesy of losing the thread totally, I will not waste my time trying to explain things.

I was talking about Archbishop Byron..... sorry Lord Byron. (easily done)

I have absolutely no problem with the respect you have for this man. I agree that he was noble and did everything he possible could for Cyprus.

We are now entering puff-puff-Papho land.

But unfortunately, The Cyprus Tragedy can be compared to a Major Air Crash in that the final invasion and division in 74 occured as a result of a "chain of events" from 1958 to 1974.

I agree, but irrelevant to the discussion.

So who is to blame?

Well to be ultimately fair, all Cypriots are to blame, including all those we deem as "noble lords".

I agree, but irrelevant to the discussion. And the only lord I deemed noble in this discussion was Byron.

I know who he is and I know he did not think that it was a "slogan".

No you don't who I was referring to, I'm afraid. That's why you've gone 'Walkabout'...

Yes! I mean the Coup inspired by the US and CIA to partition the island and supported by many fascist Cypriots.

I agree but irrelevant.

You better smarten up Chip.

That's rich coming from you. At least I pay attention.

Why don't you go back through this thread and read my posts again, because I did not say that Cyprus is Greek.

For someone who never puffs your paranoia is worrying. Why don't you read my posts again? because I never said you did.

He is the same person that signed the 1960 Zurich Agreement, just one event in the chain that ALSO led to the Turkish Invasion.

I say that because it is apparent that many Cypriots do require a reality check and start evaluating all events in a constructive and objective manner, rather than just blame the Greek Junta, the US or CIA!

I do that already thanks.

And if I wanted to learn something about HALLOUMI CHEESE, I would ask you.

Can't claim to be an expert but I'll help if I can.... Oh, sorry, I get it, this is meant to be a dig at me and my perceived preoccupation with Cypriot cheese. Jesus, 'Comedy Store' in Sydney must be like a morgue if this is the standard of humour you guys are used to.

Which noble lords, mate?

Afxentiou, Pallikaridi, Matsios, Toumazos, Grivas and co.

Oh Paphiti. What are we going to do with you?

I'm not... and I'm not.

YES YOU ARE!

Paphiti, mate. Forget this discussion. Do you know what day it is?

You want to eradicate Hellenism from Cyprus because you also want the TCs to also move away from calling themselves Turkish Cypriot.

Isn't that what Turkey's army is doing to the north? Eradicate all Cypriot culture? And instead of the people calling themselves Cypriots... they have to be just Turkish? You equate me with the Turkish army? Not sure whether to be flattered or insulted.

How many so called "Cypriots" fought for the TCs returning back to Office after they withdrew in 63?

So called? People from Cyprus are "so called"? And have to have their identity put in speech-marks? Shame on you, Paphiti.

So you accept that both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots can maintain their cultural ties to their Ethnos?

They can do what they like in the privacy of their own bedrooms. It's a free country. Not sure I'd want them marching up and down waving flags, like what happens in Northern Ireland during the marching season. That kind of thing can lead to a whole heap of trouble. It can cost lives.

I'll wait for you at the airport and I will bring you some Aussie Halloumi.

I like you much better like this.

You are trying to demonise the word Hellenism and are intollerant to any Hellenic Cypriots which also means that you are intolerant of any Turkic Cypriots.

So my racist comment stands.

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

I would rather a truly unified Cyprus that is tolerant to all cultures, TC, GC, AC, MC and LC. I know this is possible and there are many countries in the world that have proven this.


Only then will Cyprus become a rich and diverse multiculturally tolerant nation of Cypriots.

Great stuff.

Being Hellenic Cypriot or Turkic Cypriot does not inflict on anyone's rigths and does not need to remain behind closed doors. So it can be done in public as well as it is done in other multicultural countries.

I refer you to the answer I gave above, in relation to northern Ireland. Flag waving parades may not be such a good idea.

Makarios was a Greek Cypriot Chip!

Thanks for letting me know, puff-puff-Papho man.

Which lords are you referring to?

Shame you didn't just ask this straight away, instead of jumping in like a mad Aussie who hasn't had his breakfast yet!

The one's that really matter to me, would trust me, because it is with these TCs I would do anything for and as far as I'm concerned, the best forumer here is a TC.

That's nice. He does love you really, guys. He's just a bit confused.

As for some other TCs that want to run away with their stolen loot or negotiate an unfair and undemocratic solution, then I guess they would not trust me at all.

They should trust you not to let them!

So the majority of TCs do not trust me and they do not trust you either.

So now you're their self-appointed spokesman. Are you sure your name isn't Denktash?

Now remember what I said above. Read carefully the discussions going on before wading in with your nonsense. I'm not going to waste my time and energy on helping you to get up to speed.

[Paphitis]

Lord? Lord Makarios? Are you orthodox? Are you Cypriot? Lord Makarios?

Mate, you are SO barking up the wrong tree. If you're going to enter into a discussion then pay attention; read carefully what people are saying, as you're wasting your time - and other people's time too. This is your last chance. The next time you do me and others the discourtesy of losing the thread totally, I will not waste my time trying to explain things.

I was talking about Archbishop Byron..... sorry Lord Byron. (easily done)

So why the preoccupation with Byron?

Why do you disagree with his views? Are they so unpalatable for you resulting in you needing to insult his intelligence?

I agree, but irrelevant to the discussion.

So you now admit that our cultural and ethnic ties played absolutely no role in the Cyprus Tragedy. Rampant nationalism and fascist behavior by some did, but not ethnic ties.

Well done Chip! We are now making progress.

I agree, but irrelevant to the discussion. And the only lord I deemed noble in this discussion was Byron.

It is not irrelevant as it is the main crux of your topic within this thread you created.

You make even more progress here by accepting that all Cypriots are to blame for the present situation.

Well done!

But, I think it is time to re-visit your older posts Chip, in an effort to avoid your derailment tactics:

Chip Wrote:

I think the real problem is that we Cypriots tend to neglect/overlook all aspects of our rich and varied culture by focusing too much on one admittedly important aspect.... namely the (rich and varied in itself) Hellenic one.

I am still waiting for you to give me just one valid evidence that Cypriots are neglecting their own rich culture!

After 31 pages of this thread, you have avoided answering this question an astounding 6 times!

If you can't answer it, then just say so.

Please note that Halloumi is not a valid answer as I can prove to you that Halloumi is also produced in Australia and so there is such a thing as Australian Halloumi and it tastes better that Cypriot Halloumi as well...

You did attempt to answer the question as follows:

The Chip's Answer:

Zeno of Citium is known to the world as a GREEK philosopher, not a Cypriot one (of Pheonician origin).

Aphrodite is known to the world as a GREEK goddess, not a Cypriot one (again, as it happens, of Pheonician origin).

We have given these two personages to Greece when they are in fact ours (and, Greek only after the event).

On menus in restaurants here in London, I often see 'Hallumin' described as a Greek cheese.

So in the above three instances we Cypriots have been expressing our Hellenism AT THE EXPENSE OF our Cypriotness.

The above is not acceptable Chip. You can do better than that surely?

I then stated the following:

So far we have 8 pages of this pointless thread and no one really understands what you are on about.

Stop beating around the bush and give us your take home message.

But now we have 31 pages of pointless Chip and Halloumi talk and you still have failed to make any valid point or to address the issue you have insinuated many times.

C'mon Chip, let's have it. What the hell are you trying to prove?

Please substantiate your sweeping statements by addressing the following, which is incidentally the topic of your thread:

And what evidence can you present to us that there are some Cypriots on this forum who do not embrace their unique Cypriot characteristics?

DON"T TRY AND DERAIL YOUR OWN THREAD CHIP.

Otherwise this thread is a "LOAD OF BOLLOCKS" Chip.

[The Cypriot]

You are trying to demonise the word Hellenism and are intollerant to any Hellenic Cypriots which also means that you are intolerant of any Turkic Cypriots.

So my racist comment stands.

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

[Paphitis]

The Chip Wrote:

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

Well genetically speaking, we are all the same.

But in order for the above to stand you need to define what constitutes a race.

And what constitutes a race in this day and age is language, custom, culture and religion amongst other things.

Have another go Chip. We will get there eventually.

[miltiades]

Can the Cypriot please tell us his sex , Not preference just sex !!!!
My guess is that The Cypriot is of the fairer variety , a female ! Do forgive me if I'm wrong , you too can have an apology like Byron did .
ps. We dont need Paphitis sex , I spoke to him on the phone and he is definitely a man !

[Paphitis]

Can the Cypriot please tell us his sex , Not preference just sex !!!!
My guess is that The Cypriot is of the fairer variety , a female ! Do forgive me if I'm wrong , you too can have an apology like Byron did .
ps. We dont need Paphitis sex , I spoke to him on the phone and he is definitely a man !

Milti, this is not an ADULTS only forum....You should know that.....

[denizaksulu]

The Chip Wrote:

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

Well genetically speaking, we are all the same.

But in order for the above to stand you need to define what constitutes a race.

And what constitutes a race in this day and age is language, custom, culture and religion amongst other things.

Have another go Chip. We will get there eventually.

Re Bafidis, I think you need O to sort this guy out.

[Paphitis]

The Chip Wrote:

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

Well genetically speaking, we are all the same.

But in order for the above to stand you need to define what constitutes a race.

And what constitutes a race in this day and age is language, custom, culture and religion amongst other things.

Have another go Chip. We will get there eventually.

Re Bafidis, I think you need O to sort this guy out.

Hi Deniz,

I think you might be right.

Her genetic research is brilliant and proves beyond doubt that their is hardly no genetic difference between Cypriot, Turk, Arab, Eskimo or Aborigine apart from slight deviations caused from environmental exposures and how humans are grouped together into ethnic groups according with their language, culture, custom and religion.

Where is she anyway?

[boomerang]

The Chip Wrote:

I don't think Cypriots with different religious backgrounds come from different races. So your comment doesn't stand. It's nonsense. And as for religion, I have no religious convictions and couldn't give a stuff about the name they give to their God. If you want the comment to stand, then don't engage in debate with me, because you've insulted me.

Well genetically speaking, we are all the same.

But in order for the above to stand you need to define what constitutes a race.

And what constitutes a race in this day and age is language, custom, culture and religion amongst other things.

Have another go Chip. We will get there eventually.

and by sporting the union Jack along with language, custom we are english right?
Mashalah I am a damn pom and never new it...

Better start getting used too drinking warm beer then...so I can be a real pom...
OR
Maybe drinking cold beer is what separates from the poms and makes us Aussies...

I am not really sure on this one Paphitis but what I am sure of, is I am sure as hell I could use a hand on this one just to make sure....