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[The Cypriot]

I think the Cypriot might soon discover if he already hasn't that Paphiti is a first class bloody pretender of a Cypriot in reality he is no more a Cypriot than Prince Philip !! Connected to Cyprus yes , but a Cypriot , no way !
He is used to losing arguments and reverting to what he does best , throw insults , the Plonker !!

Thanks for letting me know, miltiades. And there's certainly no doubting your Cypriot credentials and your allegiance to the motherland. I salute you!

[Simon]

Astarte was accepted by the Greeks as Aphrodite, so it became Greek religion along with the other Greek Gods. So I'm not sure what your argument actually is Aphrodite was born from the foam near Paphos according to Greek mythology. So it was myth, in contrast to Jesus, who most (if not all) accept he existed. It appears that it was actually the Assyrians that were the first to establish her cult in any event. But if it becomes Greek religion, then it is Greek religion. Just like Greek Orthodox today. Aphrodite was adopted by the Greeks as a Greek goddess. Every nation had their own Gods, just because they didn't originally invent the Gods, doesn't mean much. Look at all the Roman Gods that were "borrowed" from other nations. But Jupiter etc were still Roman Gods.

[The Cypriot]

I'm focusing on what your saying, nothing else. Astarte was accepted by the Greeks as Aphrodite, so it became Greek religion along with the other Greek Gods. So I'm not sure what your argument actually is Aphrodite was born from the foam near Paphos according to Greek mythology. So it was myth, in contrast to Jesus, who most (if not all) accept he existed.

There's a huge debate as to whether Jesus actually existed as a historic personage. Let's not go there. But in terms of the mythology of the Jesus story, much is directly influenced by Greek mythology without a doubt; eg. the Virgin birth (Heracles). Also the Star of Bethlehem concept is very Greek, the 12 Apostles, as per the 12 Gods of Olympus (one of whom was Cypriot).

It appears that it was actually the Assyrians that were the first to establish her cult in any event.

I stand corrected. But I think it would have been the Phoenicians who spread the cult to Cyprus...

But if it becomes Greek religion, then it is Greek religion. Just like Greek Orthodox today. Just because Greeks are Christians it does not mean Jesus was Greek, and the same goes for Aphrodite, who was never real as far as we know.

Better not let our Paphian friend hear you say that. I think he's a bit protective of her Greek roots.

[Simon]

The Cypriot,

I understand that some say Jesus never existed, but most do accept that he did, unlike Aphrodite.

Further, my point actually is that the Greeks adopted Aphrodite as their Goddess, just as many nations back then adopted Gods. So she became a Greek Goddess and part of the Greek religion. Just like the Romans adopted many Gods and called them their own. It was the way of it back then, each nation had their own Gods. Not that any of this actually matters.

[T_C]

See what I mean about you Greeks!

If we were to go with your mindsets then how can she be classed as Greek?

When the same thing is reversed we don't hear the last of it...ever....

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot,

I understand that some say Jesus never existed, but most do accept that he did, unlike Aphrodite.

Further, my point actually is that the Greeks adopted Aphrodite as their Goddess, just as many nations back then adopted Gods. So she became a Greek Goddess and part of the Greek religion. Just like the Romans adopted many Gods and called them their own. It was the way of it back then, each nation had their own Gods. Not that any of this actually matters.

I agree, Simo. It doesn't really matter.... If you haven't already, I recommend you watch a film called 'Zeitgeist', the first third of which pertains to the mythology of Jesus.

[denizaksulu]

I enjoy these discussions till someone lets loose. What a shame.

Re Bafidis come back, when you wake up.

[Simon]

TC, Aphrodite was the Greek equivalent of older variations. She was adopted into Greek mythology and therefore became a Greek Goddess. What part of that don't you understand TC? Back then, every nation had variations of similar Gods that they called their own! I never said she was a Greek invention.

[The Cypriot]

See what I mean about you Greeks!

If we were to go with your mindsets then how can she be classed as Greek?

When the same thing is reversed we don't hear the last of it...ever....

If it isn't Greek, it's barbarian. You should know that by now, T_C...

[miltiades]

I have stated in a few other threads that way back in the 50s I along with my older brother joined the struggle against the British believing that ENOSIS was the only desired goal of the Cypriot people , by Cypriot of course I mean Greek Cypriots since the T/Cs did not count and neither were they considered as having any right what so ever to either object or challenge our objectives. My older brother , almost 7 years older than me joined EOKA and I the youth movement known as ANE - Alkimos Neolea Eoka .
I do not for one second regret my commitment then , neither do I feel that my minuscule contribution was in any way wasted , I still beleive today that the struggle was not only justified but inescapably imperative at the time faced with the British objections to EVER consider giving Cyprus independence.
I do not regret one millisecond of the entire period of the struggle but I do , with hindsight , regret the ultimate goal of the struggle which was Enosis and not independence of our motherland Cyprus.
We totaly ignored the wishes and aspirations of both G/Cs opposed to Enosis and naturally the wishes of our compatriots the T/Cs.
A struggle for total independence in its true meaning and embracing within our struggle ALL Cypriots would have been the correct action , instead we carried on and on and on until the British occupation forces were replaced by the Turkish army occupying more than one third of our island. The T/Cs , the genuine T/Cs , the real Cypriots amongst them are not happy and those that are tolerantly happy feel so only because the alternative might not be so attractive , they hear the voices of the past the voices that drove wedges between our people , aspirations by some that were put to test and failed catastrophically , yet these voices are still audible and still ringing with " confidence " that theirs and theirs alone are the divine voices of Cyprus.
The Cypriots must rise to the challenge now if our future generations are to avoid conflict blood and tears .
Embrace our motherland , be faithful to our motherland and work for our motherland's interests .
Let us not repeat the errors of the past.
LONG LIVE CYPRUS OUR ONLY MOTHERLAND.