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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 12, 2009 2:47 pm

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The noble Lord – who fought and died for liberty – would be turning in his grave knowing you'd taken his name to spout such treachery; treachery that has contributed not to the cause of freedom but to the dismemberment of Cyprus.


Who is the noble lord you are referring to that died for liberty and is now turning in their grave?

And why would he be thinking that the above "slogan" is treachery and contributed to dismemberment of Cyprus?

What does this "slogan" have to do with the final catalyst that led to the Turkish Invasion?

The majority of Cyprus's people are now mature enough never, ever, ever again to be taken in by your mindless sloganeering.


Really? Why would the majority of Cypriots even consider the above "slogan", a slogan when when in context it can only mean that the majority of Cypriots are Greeks?

If the noble Lord were alive today he would embrace the cause of a free and united Cyprus, for all its people.


Whilst I agree that the person you are referring to is indeed noble, you unfortunately neglect to mention that he/she may also have made massive miscalculations (maybe even understandable mistakes under the circumstances) that also contributed to the island's division. But you once again attribute the overwhelming responsibility of the island's division against those that fought and died for the very fundamental right of Cypriots determining their very own future which coincidentally was ENOSIS at the time.

What about these noble lords? I think it is they that would be turning in their grave.

This is what I think about you ramming Cypriotism down everyones throat in an uncompromising manner. What you want is to destroy Hellenism and Turkic influences from the island. You hope that this would in fact ASSIMILATE all Turkish Cypriots into Cypriots thus rejecting their own Turkic culture.

This in its very essence is RACIST. ASSIMILATION was a very big catch phrase in multicultural societies such as Australia, Canada and US back in the days when racism was rampant.

Do you think that the Turkish Cypriots are going to stop being Turkish? If you are not racist, then you would not want them to abandon their identity but just become law abiding citizens of the nation.

Don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots can see through this racism and will not be fooled?

So those that call themselves "Cypriots" and are also intolerant of other Cypriots who also identify themselves as Hellenic are only doing this because they have the misguided attitude that the Turkic Cypriots will also somehow abandon their Turkishness. :lol:

Are you racist? I shouldn't ask this silly question because I know what your standard answer will be. You will no doubt say that you are not racist but see no need for labeling Cypriots as Hellenic or Turkic. But you won't mention the fact that you hope that the Turkic Cypriots will abandon their heritage and become Cypriots only, as you can not bear the thougth of some Cypriots being Turkish. :wink:

Or do you accept that Cypriots should have the undeniable human right to remain true to their own cultural identity whether this is Hellenic, Turkic as well as Cypriot?

"Byron" is his trademark, milti, though he sells ignorance and treachery; division and dismemberment. Figure that out.


Why is that Chip? Because he does not agree with your views? :lol:

You are wrong Chip. You should no better than to label any Cypriots in such a manner.

You should be ashamed of yourself.

Byron: You shame the noble lord's name. Cyprus doesn't need your ilk to fight the cause of freedom.


I am sure that the noble lord you refer to loved ALL Cypriots and may have even agreed with Byron's views but then became a "realist".

This noble lord you refer to was indeed a Greek as well as a Cypriot and you know this. He was a former ENOSIS supporter until he got a big wack of "realism" and abandoned the ideal for the sake of Cyprus.

But did he also want the Turkish Cypriots to return back to office after they had withdrawn due to the 13 point plan? Did this not in itself ALSO contribute to the division. Or was this OK because at long last we had the whole island to ourselves? :lol:

I guess it is just too convenient to blame Greece, but it would be more accurate to blame ourselves and the US for staging this plot to begin with.
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Postby The Cypriot » Sun Apr 12, 2009 3:45 pm

Paphitis wrote:The Chip wrote:
The noble Lord – who fought and died for liberty – would be turning in his grave knowing you'd taken his name to spout such treachery; treachery that has contributed not to the cause of freedom but to the dismemberment of Cyprus.



Who is the noble lord you are referring to that died for liberty and is now turning in their grave?


Oh God, Medusa's back. It's obvious who he is. Please keep up, Puff-puff-Papho man.

Paphitis wrote:And why would he be thinking that the above "slogan" is treachery and contributed to dismemberment of Cyprus?


You don't know who he is so why do you think he wouldn't?

Paphitis wrote: What does this "slogan" have to do with the final catalyst that led to the Turkish Invasion?


What are you on about, Puff-puff-Papho man. Keep a clear head if you're going to lock horns with Mr Chip. What final catalyst? You mean the coup inspired by the fascist dictarship then ruling Greece?


Paphitis wrote: Why would the majority of Cypriots even consider the above "slogan", a slogan when when in context it can only mean that the majority of Cypriots are Greeks?


Then why don't they say that:

"In our opinion the majority of Cypriots are Greek, athough even amongst these quite a few seem happy just to be Cypriot which we accept"
(as per our contract)

as opposed to:

"Cyprus is Greek"

which, as you concede, is inaccurate.

Paphitis wrote: Whilst I agree that the person you are referring to is indeed noble,


Ah, so you do know who he is.


Paphitis wrote: you unfortunately neglect to mention that he/she may also have made massive miscalculations (maybe even understandable mistakes under the circumstances) that also contributed to the island's division.


Ah, so you don't know who he is.

Paphitis wrote: But you once again attribute the overwhelming responsibility of the island's division against those that fought and died for the very fundamental right of Cypriots determining their very own future which coincidentally was ENOSIS at the time.


Hey, Paphiti. If I need a history lesson on Cyprus (which I don't) I'll read a book.

Paphitis wrote: What about these noble lords? I think it is they that would be turning in their grave.


Which noble lords, mate?

Paphitis wrote: This is what I think about you ramming Cypriotism down everyones throat in an uncompromising manner.



I'm not... and I'm not.


Paphitis wrote: What you want is to destroy Hellenism and Turkic influences from the island.


I admit I'm good but even I can't 'destroy' an influence that is clearly there and that I accept and appreciate.


Paphitis wrote: You hope that this would in fact ASSIMILATE all Turkish Cypriots into Cypriots thus rejecting their own Turkic culture.


What's your name? Denktash?

Paphitis wrote: This in its very essence is RACIST. ASSIMILATION was a very big catch phrase in multicultural societies such as Australia, Canada and US back in the days when racism was rampant.


I don't believe Cypriots, regardless of their chosen ethnicity, are a different race. So you accusing me of racism, is frankly, cretinous,

Paphitis wrote: Do you think that the Turkish Cypriots are going to stop being Turkish? If you are not racist, then you would not want them to abandon their identity but just become law abiding citizens of the nation.


Exactly right. Embrace their Cypriot identity and become law abiding citizens of the nation.


Paphitis wrote: Don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots can see through this racism and will not be fooled?


If you accuse me of racism one more time, Puff-puff Papho man I'm going to come over to Sydney and eat you for breakfast, with chips!



Paphitis wrote: So those that call themselves "Cypriots" and are also intolerant of other Cypriots who also identify themselves as Hellenic are only doing this because they have the misguided attitude that the Turkic Cypriots will also somehow abandon their Turkishness. :lol:


Mate, you've so lost the point of what I'm trying to do.


Paphitis wrote: Are you racist?



Are you stupid?


Paphitis wrote: I shouldn't ask this silly question because I know what your standard answer will be. You will no doubt say that you are not racist but see no need for labeling Cypriots as Hellenic or Turkic. But you won't mention the fact that you hope that the Turkic Cypriots will abandon their heritage and become Cypriots only, as you can not bear the thougth of some Cypriots being Turkish. :wink:


I'd rather they were Cypriots and that the Turks who shouldn't actually be there went back to their own country. How about you?

Paphitis wrote: Or do you accept that Cypriots should have the undeniable human right to remain true to their own cultural identity whether this is Hellenic, Turkic as well as Cypriot?


What Cypriots want to do, in the privacy of their own bedrooms, and between consenting adults, is entirely up to them. I am a great believer in human rights, so long as expressing those rights do not infringe on the rights of others. Are we clear now?


Paphitis wrote: Why is that Chip. Because he does not agree with your views? :lol:

You are wrong Chip. You should no better than to label any Cypriots in such a manner.



Paphitis wrote: This noble lord you refer to was indeed a Greek as well as a Cypriot a you know this.



Lord Byron was Greek? And Cypriot too? Today I've learnt something from Puff-puff-Papho man.

Paphitis wrote: He was a former ENOSIS supporter until he got a big wack of "realism" and abandoned the ideal for the sake of Cyprus.

But did he also want the Turkish Cypriots to return back to office after they had withdrawn due to the 13 point plan. Did this not in itself ALSO contribute to the division.


Mate, I do believe you're confusing your Lords. It's you who's in need of a history lesson.

Paphitis wrote: I guess it is just too convenient to blame Greece, but it would be more accurate to blame ourselves and the US for staging this plot to begin with.


At last, a statement that actually makes sense.

BTW, it didn't take you long to break your contract. Do you think TC's would trust you, if you were given the job to run Cyprus?
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:12 pm

Paphitis wrote:But you once again attribute the overwhelming responsibility of the island's division against those that fought and died for the very fundamental right of Cypriots determining their very own future which coincidentally was ENOSIS at the time.

You have borrowed this excuse from Piratis but it happens to be flawed because democracy cannot abolish a constitution without also invalidating itself, for it’s that very constitution that granted the democracy in the first place!

There are mechanisms to protect a constitution from democracy being used against it and that’s why attempting to gift a sovereign state to another country is regarded as TREASON.

This is what I think about you ramming Cypriotism down everyones throat in an uncompromising manner.

That's right... Cypriotism must be RAMMED down everyone's throat because after all this is Cyprus, and if they don't like it they can bugger off elsewhere. :D

What you want is to destroy Hellenism and Turkic influences from the island.

Good man... Image at long last you're starting to wake up!

You hope that this would in fact ASSIMILATE all Turkish Cypriots into Cypriots thus rejecting their own Turkic culture.
This in its very essence is RACIST. ASSIMILATION was a very big catch phrase in multicultural societies such as Australia, Canada and US back in the days when racism was rampant.

This would smash the "ethnic this" and "ethnic that" bollocks and unite the island under a common citizenship. If that’s not the answer to the Cyprus problem I don’t know what is…

Do you think that the Turkish Cypriots are going to stop being Turkish? If you are not racist, then you would not want them to abandon their identity but just become law abiding citizens of the nation.

People are what they are told they are. Just as they have been brainwashed to believe that they belong to some other place, they can be re-programmed to forget all that crap and belong to the country they are living in.

Don't you think that the Turkish Cypriots can see through this racism and will not be fooled?

Racism is when you interfere with the citizens of another country and brainwash them to abandon their allegiance to their homeland in place for allegiance to your country without a care for their well-being!

So those that call themselves "Cypriots" and are also intolerant of other Cypriots who also identify themselves as Hellenic are only doing this because they have the misguided attitude that the Turkic Cypriots will also somehow abandon their Turkishness. :lol:

Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that? :D

You really pulled your mask off with this sweet post you little EOKA-B troublemaker didn't you? :lol:
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Postby Byron » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:38 pm

Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
GET REAL VULGARICALLY REPLIED TO PAPHITIS AS FOLLOWS:

"Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
You really pulled your mask off with this sweet post you little EOKA-B troublemaker didn't you? "

SUPPORTING HELLENISM does not mean that PAPHITIS is with EOKA B !!!
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:47 pm

Byron wrote:Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
GET REAL VULGARICALLY REPLIED TO PAPHITIS AS FOLLOWS:

"Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
You really pulled your mask off with this sweet post you little EOKA-B troublemaker didn't you? "

SUPPORTING HELLENISM does not mean that PAPHITIS is with EOKA B !!!

Promoting Hellenism on Cyprus is doing the work of EOKA-B, just as promoting Turkishness is doing the work of the TMT!

Cyprus CANNOT afford any more of this destructive crap so I strongly advise you all to CUT THE CRAP because any deviation from 100% allegiance to Cyprus is nothing but treason.
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Postby Byron » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:53 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Byron wrote:Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
GET REAL VULGARICALLY REPLIED TO PAPHITIS AS FOLLOWS:

"Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that?
You really pulled your mask off with this sweet post you little EOKA-B troublemaker didn't you? "

SUPPORTING HELLENISM does not mean that PAPHITIS is with EOKA B !!!

Promoting Hellenism on Cyprus is doing the work of EOKA-B, just as promoting Turkishness is doing the work of the TMT!

Cyprus CANNOT afford any more of this destructive crap so I strongly advise you all to CUT THE CRAP because any deviation from 100% allegiance to Cyprus is nothing but treason.


You are entitled to your opinion just like others !!!
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 12, 2009 4:58 pm

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Oh God, Medusa's back. It's obvious who he is. Please keep up, Puff-puff-Papho man.


Its obvious you are talking about Makarios.

I have absolutely no problem with the respect you have for this man. I agree that he was noble and did everything he possible could for Cyprus.

But unfortunately, The Cyprus Tragedy can be compared to a Major Air Crash in that the final invasion and division in 74 occured as a result of a "chain of events" from 1958 to 1974.

So who is to blame?

Well to be ultimately fair, all Cypriots are to blame, including all those we deem as "noble lords".

You don't know who he is so why do you think he wouldn't?


I know who he is and I know he did not think that it was a "slogan".

What are you on about, Puff-puff-Papho man. Keep a clear head if you're going to lock horns with Mr Chip. What final catalyst? You mean the coup inspired by the fascist dictarship then ruling Greece?


Yes! I mean the Coup inspired by the US and CIA to partition the island and supported by many fascist Cypriots.

hen why don't they say that:

"In our opinion the majority of Cypriots are Greek, although even amongst these quite a few seem happy just to be Cypriot which we accept"
(as per our contract)

as opposed to:

"Cyprus is Greek"

which, as you concede, is inaccurate.


You better smarten up Chip.

Why don't you go back through this thread and read my posts again, because I did not say that Cyprus is Greek.

This was my second post n this thread:

The "we" I refer to includes the overwhelming majority of Greek Cypriots, yourself included.

Ah, so you don't know who he is.


He is the same person that signed the 1960 Zurich Agreement, just one event in the chain that ALSO led to the Turkish Invasion.

I say that because it is apparent that many Cypriots do require a reality check and start evaluating all events in a constructive and objective manner, rather than just blame the Greek Junta, the US or CIA!

Hey, Paphiti. If I need a history lesson on Cyprus (which I don't) I'll read a book.


And if I wanted to learn something about HALLOUMI CHEESE, I would ask you. :lol:

Which noble lords, mate?


Afxentiou, Pallikaridi, Matsios, Toumazos, Grivas and co.

I'm not... and I'm not.


YES YOU ARE!

You want to eradicate Hellenism from Cyprus because you also want the TCs to also move away from calling themselves Turkish Cypriot.

How many so called "Cypriots" fought for the TCs returning back to Office after they withdrew in 63?

I don't believe Cypriots, regardless of their chosen ethnicity, are a different race. So you accusing me of racism, is frankly, cretinous,


So you accept that both Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots can maintain their cultural ties to their Ethnos?

Exactly right. Embrace their Cypriot identity and become law abiding citizens of the nation.


Can they also embrace their Turkishness at the same time?

If you accuse me of racism one more time, Puff-puff Papho man I'm going to come over to Sydney and eat you for breakfast, with chips!


I'll wait for you at the airport and I will bring you some Aussie Halloumi.

Mate, you've so lost the point of what I'm trying to do.


No I have not.

You are trying to demonise the word Hellenism and are intollerant to any Hellenic Cypriots which also means that you are intolerant of any Turkic Cypriots.

So my racist comment stands.

I'd rather they were Cypriots and that the Turks who shouldn't actually be there went back to their own country. How about you?


I would rather a truly unified Cyprus that is tolerant to all cultures, TC, GC, AC, MC and LC. I know this is possible and there are many countries in the world that have proven this.

Only then will Cyprus become a rich and diverse multiculturally tolerant nation of Cypriots.

What Cypriots want to do, in the privacy of their own bedrooms, and between consenting adults, is entirely up to them. I am a great believer in human rights, so long as expressing those rights do not infringe on the rights of others. Are we clear now?


Being Hellenic Cypriot or Turkic Cypriot does not inflict on anyone's rigths and does not need to remain behind closed doors. So it can be done in public as well as it is done in other multicultural countries.

Lord Byron was Greek? And Cypriot too? Today I've learnt something from Puff-puff-Papho man.


Makarios was a Greek Cypriot Chip!

Mate, I do believe you're confusing your Lords. It's you who's in need of a history lesson.


Which lords are you referring to?

At last, a statement that actually makes sense.

BTW, it didn't take you long to break your contract. Do you think TC's would trust you, if you were given the job to run Cyprus?


The one's that really matter to me, would trust me, because it is with these TCs I would do anything for and as far as I'm concerned, the best forumer here is a TC.

As for some other TCs that want to run away with their stolen loot or negotiate an unfair and undemocratic solution, then I guess they would not trust me at all.

So the majority of TCs do not trust me and they do not trust you either.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:17 pm

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You have borrowed this excuse from Piratis but it happens to be flawed because democracy cannot abolish a constitution without also invalidating itself, for it’s that very constitution that granted the democracy in the first place!

There are mechanisms to protect a constitution from democracy being used against it and that’s why attempting to gift a sovereign state to another country is regarded as TREASON.


I was referring to the 55-59 struggle you numb nuts, when there was not even a constitution....Image

I was not referring to the Coup.

That's right... Cypriotism must be RAMMED down everyone's throat because after all this is Cyprus, and if they don't like it they can bugger off elsewhere. :D


And you have Cypriotism.

There is Greek Cypriotism, Turkish Cypriotism, Armenian Cypriotsim, Latin Cypriotsm and Maronite Cypriotism.

Cypriotism referring to the nationality and the other referring to the ethnicity.

Good man... Image at long last you're starting to wake up!


At last, someone who admits to their racism.

Good luck GR! because the Turks just won't have it and they aint leaving either!

his would smash the "ethnic this" and "ethnic that" bollocks and unite the island under a common citizenship. If that’s not the answer to the Cyprus problem I don’t know what is…


The island can be united under a common nationality!

What does this have to do with maintaining the distinct cultural and ethnic links?

People are what they are told they are. Just as they have been brainwashed to believe that they belong to some other place, they can be re-programmed to forget all that crap and belong to the country they are living in.


No they can't because history can not be re-written.

Racism is when you interfere with the citizens of another country and brainwash them to abandon their allegiance to their homeland in place for allegiance to your country without a care for their well-being!


And which country is doing all the interfering?

Fuck your Hellenism and fuck your Turkishness... how's that? :D

You really pulled your mask off with this sweet post you little EOKA-B troublemaker didn't you? :lol:


I think it is Turkey that is doing all the fucking in Cyprus.

So enjoy it like I think you would.... :D

:lol:
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:22 pm

[quote="Get Real]People are what they are told they are. Just as they have been brainwashed to believe that they belong to some other place, they can be re-programmed to forget all that crap and belong to the country they are living in.[/quote]

Weren't u told what u r? It seems to me that u too r brainwashed by nation builders of Cypriotism. U r struggling to spread Cypriotism just like all others struggle any other "isms".
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Postby miltiades » Sun Apr 12, 2009 5:39 pm

""""""deviation from 100% allegiance to Cyprus is nothing but treason."""
AS POSTED BY GR WHO HATES MY GUTS !!

Absolutely undeniably a trillion percent correct !
You foreign motherland suckers , you doubting Thomases wake up , Cyprus is calling the nation that has existed for 10 thousand years under occupation admittedly but then always as Cyprus. Those that want to gift our nation to a foreign country not least those that have the audacity to demand recognition of the military creation of the invader are kindly requested to check out my signature taken from AFRICA the T/C newspaper.
Enough of this nonsense , Cyprus IS a nation on its own right the entire world agrees and approves of the legality of our nation.
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