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[insan]

Cypriots of Muslim extraction in the north.

Who are these Cypriots of Muslim extraction ? Are they of Arab , Malay or Indonesian stock ? Are they Turkish ? Are they Franks converts ?
Have these people tried anything to kick out the Turkish troops ? Have they ever made a revolution against the so called TRNC regime ? Do they vote in the so-called elections in the north occupied areas ? Do they address Mr Talat as a prime minister ?
And where and when have they seen any "over-emphasis on Hellenism " ?
In the streets, in the signs ,in the restaurants ,in public and private schools on TV ? Where ?

Antreis, I have to respond to you. Have no doubt my friend. We Cypriots of Muslim Turkish descent are first and fore most Cypriots.
Cyprus is our homeland and we are proud to be a part of this ancient nation. The Greek, Maronite, Latin and Armenian Cypriots are our brothers; culturally we are all the same.

Sadly, Cypriots of Muslim / Turkish origin live under occupation. This was planned by greater powers and their agents, the TMT. It is not as easy as you may think to rebel. Yet we do rebel, often directly but mostly indirectly.

Many people in the occupied north are frightened of speaking out against the occupier, their bullying tactics, dormant paramilitaries and the dirty business that has symbolized what they call the TRNC. TRNC is as relevant to Turkish Cypriots as Eritrea is.

Living under military occupation is not easy. Many people become sycophants to the occupation regime in order to make their bread money. Survival forces people to do terrible things, such as becoming informants and spies against their own community. Trust and morale are thus low.

To ensure its grip of power, Turkey ensures that no less than 1/3 of Turkish Cypriots work in a civil service that relies exclusively on Turkish financial aid to survive - its a form of control. "We pay your bread money so we expect loyalty."

Still I have faith in my community because there are many brave Cypriots in the north with enough integrity to sink a ship who do speak up and this have to put up with a lot of grief. Some like Kutlu Adali have paid for speaking up with their life.

LONG LIVE EOKA THE LIBERATION FIGHTERS! THE ANGEL HEARTS!

KING DIGENIS GRIVAS!

That's a peculiar way of welcoming a new member/memberess Insan.

Where are your manners?

In virtual environments like these forums, I many times witnessed that many new members that post sweeping and one sided statements r either an ex-member opened a second account to provoke particular members or because of his/her bias point of view does not worth a welcoming reply. I could do the same by creating a new account under a GC name and tell the complete opposite of what Omar said. Then watch GCs attacking and insulting my second virtual personality.

[The Cypriot]

Cypriots of Muslim extraction in the north.

Who are these Cypriots of Muslim extraction ? Are they of Arab , Malay or Indonesian stock ? Are they Turkish ? Are they Franks converts ?
Have these people tried anything to kick out the Turkish troops ? Have they ever made a revolution against the so called TRNC regime ? Do they vote in the so-called elections in the north occupied areas ? Do they address Mr Talat as a prime minister ?
And where and when have they seen any "over-emphasis on Hellenism " ?
In the streets, in the signs ,in the restaurants ,in public and private schools on TV ? Where ?

Antreis, I have to respond to you. Have no doubt my friend. We Cypriots of Muslim Turkish descent are first and fore most Cypriots.
Cyprus is our homeland and we are proud to be a part of this ancient nation. The Greek, Maronite, Latin and Armenian Cypriots are our brothers; culturally we are all the same.

Sadly, Cypriots of Muslim / Turkish origin live under occupation. This was planned by greater powers and their agents, the TMT. It is not as easy as you may think to rebel. Yet we do rebel, often directly but mostly indirectly.

Many people in the occupied north are frightened of speaking out against the occupier, their bullying tactics, dormant paramilitaries and the dirty business that has symbolized what they call the TRNC. TRNC is as relevant to Turkish Cypriots as Eritrea is.

Living under military occupation is not easy. Many people become sycophants to the occupation regime in order to make their bread money. Survival forces people to do terrible things, such as becoming informants and spies against their own community. Trust and morale are thus low.

To ensure its grip of power, Turkey ensures that no less than 1/3 of Turkish Cypriots work in a civil service that relies exclusively on Turkish financial aid to survive - its a form of control. "We pay your bread money so we expect loyalty."

Still I have faith in my community because there are many brave Cypriots in the north with enough integrity to sink a ship who do speak up and this have to put up with a lot of grief. Some like Kutlu Adali have paid for speaking up with their life.

Superb, inciteful and incredibly brave first post. And I hope you have the integrity and the moral fibre you'll need to take on the knee-jerk doubters and decriers here, who will condemn you out of hand, without evidence and without trial. Though I realise that's how justice has come to work in a regime where there's an overseas occupying soldier for every three to four citizens.

[boomerang]

Cypriots of Muslim extraction in the north.

Who are these Cypriots of Muslim extraction ? Are they of Arab , Malay or Indonesian stock ? Are they Turkish ? Are they Franks converts ?
Have these people tried anything to kick out the Turkish troops ? Have they ever made a revolution against the so called TRNC regime ? Do they vote in the so-called elections in the north occupied areas ? Do they address Mr Talat as a prime minister ?
And where and when have they seen any "over-emphasis on Hellenism " ?
In the streets, in the signs ,in the restaurants ,in public and private schools on TV ? Where ?

Antreis, I have to respond to you. Have no doubt my friend. We Cypriots of Muslim Turkish descent are first and fore most Cypriots.
Cyprus is our homeland and we are proud to be a part of this ancient nation. The Greek, Maronite, Latin and Armenian Cypriots are our brothers; culturally we are all the same.

Sadly, Cypriots of Muslim / Turkish origin live under occupation. This was planned by greater powers and their agents, the TMT. It is not as easy as you may think to rebel. Yet we do rebel, often directly but mostly indirectly.

Many people in the occupied north are frightened of speaking out against the occupier, their bullying tactics, dormant paramilitaries and the dirty business that has symbolized what they call the TRNC. TRNC is as relevant to Turkish Cypriots as Eritrea is.

Living under military occupation is not easy. Many people become sycophants to the occupation regime in order to make their bread money. Survival forces people to do terrible things, such as becoming informants and spies against their own community. Trust and morale are thus low.

To ensure its grip of power, Turkey ensures that no less than 1/3 of Turkish Cypriots work in a civil service that relies exclusively on Turkish financial aid to survive - its a form of control. "We pay your bread money so we expect loyalty."

Still I have faith in my community because there are many brave Cypriots in the north with enough integrity to sink a ship who do speak up and this have to put up with a lot of grief. Some like Kutlu Adali have paid for speaking up with their life.

LONG LIVE EOKA THE LIBERATION FIGHTERS! THE ANGEL HEARTS!

KING DIGENIS GRIVAS!

That's a peculiar way of welcoming a new member/memberess Insan.

Where are your manners?

In virtual environments like these forums, I many times witnessed that many new members that post sweeping and one sided statements r either an ex-member opened a second account to provoke particular members or because of his/her bias point of view does not worth a welcoming reply. I could do the same by creating a new account under a GC name and tell the complete opposite of what Omar said. Then watch GCs attacking and insulting my second virtual personality.

That's funny coming from someone that lives and breaths a virtual environment, read bullshit hey titty man...

[miltiades]

Cypriots of Muslim extraction in the north.

Who are these Cypriots of Muslim extraction ? Are they of Arab , Malay or Indonesian stock ? Are they Turkish ? Are they Franks converts ?
Have these people tried anything to kick out the Turkish troops ? Have they ever made a revolution against the so called TRNC regime ? Do they vote in the so-called elections in the north occupied areas ? Do they address Mr Talat as a prime minister ?
And where and when have they seen any "over-emphasis on Hellenism " ?
In the streets, in the signs ,in the restaurants ,in public and private schools on TV ? Where ?

Antreis, I have to respond to you. Have no doubt my friend. We Cypriots of Muslim Turkish descent are first and fore most Cypriots.
Cyprus is our homeland and we are proud to be a part of this ancient nation. The Greek, Maronite, Latin and Armenian Cypriots are our brothers; culturally we are all the same.

Sadly, Cypriots of Muslim / Turkish origin live under occupation. This was planned by greater powers and their agents, the TMT. It is not as easy as you may think to rebel. Yet we do rebel, often directly but mostly indirectly.

Many people in the occupied north are frightened of speaking out against the occupier, their bullying tactics, dormant paramilitaries and the dirty business that has symbolized what they call the TRNC. TRNC is as relevant to Turkish Cypriots as Eritrea is.

Living under military occupation is not easy. Many people become sycophants to the occupation regime in order to make their bread money. Survival forces people to do terrible things, such as becoming informants and spies against their own community. Trust and morale are thus low.

To ensure its grip of power, Turkey ensures that no less than 1/3 of Turkish Cypriots work in a civil service that relies exclusively on Turkish financial aid to survive - its a form of control. "We pay your bread money so we expect loyalty."

Still I have faith in my community because there are many brave Cypriots in the north with enough integrity to sink a ship who do speak up and this have to put up with a lot of grief. Some like Kutlu Adali have paid for speaking up with their life.

LONG LIVE EOKA THE LIBERATION FIGHTERS! THE ANGEL HEARTS!

KING DIGENIS GRIVAS!

That's a peculiar way of welcoming a new member/memberess Insan.

Where are your manners?

In virtual environments like these forums, I many times witnessed that many new members that post sweeping and one sided statements r either an ex-member opened a second account to provoke particular members or because of his/her bias point of view does not worth a welcoming reply. I could do the same by creating a new account under a GC name and tell the complete opposite of what Omar said. Then watch GCs attacking and insulting my second virtual personality.

Hearing the truth hurts Insan , Omar IS a T/C but above all else he/she is a CYPRIOT. You could not pass yourself as a G/C you may be put to the test . What Omar said I have heard from T/Cs in London on numerous occasions. An old friend from the CF who at one stage supported the continuation of the "trnc" has now found out the hard way as it were .He opened his heart to me and I promised never to divulge his forum identity.
The corrupt practices taking place right now as we speak are not isolated or individualistic but are rampant and well orchestrated and supported by the so called authorities.Brother , there is only one Cyprus and only one people , the Cypriots .

[EPSILON]

Guba (kouba) EN PAIS NA GAMITHIS LEO POUSHTOKALAMARA !!

The complexicity of an old rusty mind in its glory.
Idiot , so many foreign occupators and invators have not suceeded to change our Ethnicity for centuries. This can not be achieved by a Cyprus donkey like you are. The only thing you can deal now with is how to make your mind to move and get out of its misery.

Please check what you are bying from the market, maybe British insert special medicines in your tea.

Some times the Cyprus dialog created very good words like PATSIOGEROS

[miltiades]

Guba (kouba) EN PAIS NA GAMITHIS LEO POUSHTOKALAMARA !!

The complexicity of an old rusty mind in its glory.
Idiot , so many foreign occupators and invators have not suceeded to change our Ethnicity for centuries. This can not be achieved by a Cyprus donkey like you are. The only thing you can deal now with is how to make your mind to move and get out of its misery.

Please check what you are bying from the market, maybe British insert special medicines in your tea.

Some times the Cyprus dialog created very good words like PATSIOGEROS

Ekames pentexi hronia stin Ellada tche kamnis mas ton magga .
Listen clown. This island is called Cyprus , our Internationally recognized name is not f..ing Greek Cyprus but just Cyprus. We are Cypriots first and foremost , get this in your poor unsophisticated full of tobacco brain that this nation is the ETHNOS of Cyprus. I dont bloody well care if you or anyone else continue down the road of treason , Im just what my father , grandfather and beyond were CYPRIOTS .
Light up another fag and stick up your kalamaristiko kolo .
ps. What do you mean our ethnicity , we have always been Cypriots until the bloody foreigners and their suckers bent over and inserted their crap up their kolos.
LONG LIVE THE NATION OF CYPRUS !

[insan]

Keep believeing what u wish and keep basing ur dreams on "Osmosis". Even keep basing ur arguements on the presumptions and exaggerations of some "TCs" living abroad. Even and even keep basing ur arguments and dreams of "Osmosis" on political stance of TC far left. U r wasting ur time just like u were wasting ur time by desiring TCs to surrender under GC oppression during early 70s. It seems like u haven't got ur lesson from the past. Keep maintaining the same mentality... another big frustration is on the way coming towards u and ur alikes.

[insan]

Cypriots of Muslim extraction in the north.

Who are these Cypriots of Muslim extraction ? Are they of Arab , Malay or Indonesian stock ? Are they Turkish ? Are they Franks converts ?
Have these people tried anything to kick out the Turkish troops ? Have they ever made a revolution against the so called TRNC regime ? Do they vote in the so-called elections in the north occupied areas ? Do they address Mr Talat as a prime minister ?
And where and when have they seen any "over-emphasis on Hellenism " ?
In the streets, in the signs ,in the restaurants ,in public and private schools on TV ? Where ?

Antreis, I have to respond to you. Have no doubt my friend. We Cypriots of Muslim Turkish descent are first and fore most Cypriots.
Cyprus is our homeland and we are proud to be a part of this ancient nation. The Greek, Maronite, Latin and Armenian Cypriots are our brothers; culturally we are all the same.

Sadly, Cypriots of Muslim / Turkish origin live under occupation. This was planned by greater powers and their agents, the TMT. It is not as easy as you may think to rebel. Yet we do rebel, often directly but mostly indirectly.

Many people in the occupied north are frightened of speaking out against the occupier, their bullying tactics, dormant paramilitaries and the dirty business that has symbolized what they call the TRNC. TRNC is as relevant to Turkish Cypriots as Eritrea is.

Living under military occupation is not easy. Many people become sycophants to the occupation regime in order to make their bread money. Survival forces people to do terrible things, such as becoming informants and spies against their own community. Trust and morale are thus low.

To ensure its grip of power, Turkey ensures that no less than 1/3 of Turkish Cypriots work in a civil service that relies exclusively on Turkish financial aid to survive - its a form of control. "We pay your bread money so we expect loyalty."

Still I have faith in my community because there are many brave Cypriots in the north with enough integrity to sink a ship who do speak up and this have to put up with a lot of grief. Some like Kutlu Adali have paid for speaking up with their life.

Superb, inciteful and incredibly brave first post. And I hope you have the integrity and the moral fibre you'll need to take on the knee-jerk doubters and decriers here, who will condemn you out of hand, without evidence and without trial. Though I realise that's how justice has come to work in a regime where there's an overseas occupying soldier for every three to four citizens.

The so called-Cypriot; u r not even aware of that had TCs have 17.000 NG and 60-70 thousands of reservists, there would have been just 650 Turkish troops in North.

The children of Akritas consider themselves very smart but in reality they r too ridiculous.

[The Cypriot]

The so called-Cypriot;

insan, I prefer not to put a prefix before my identity. Please explain what you mean by "so called".

u r not even aware of that had TCs have 17.000 NG and 60-70 thousands of reservists, there would have been just 650 Turkish troops in North.

I'm not entirely certain what this means but I believe you're referring to the Annan Plan which the vast majority of the Cypriot people, taken as a whole, exercised their democratic right to to reject.

Their reasons are well known, as are the reasons why a majority of the people specifically in the north felt it was in their particular best interests to voted for it.

I've noticed how Cypriots wanting to justify their position refer to the Annan Plan; or to the coup; or to the invasion; or to 1963; or to 1960; or to 1955; or to 1571.

What's done is done. Let's move forward, together, rather than blaming each other for what's gone in the past. For playing the blame game has got us and will get us nowhere.

The children of Akritas consider themselves very smart but in reality they r too ridiculous.

What do you mean by this? Why do you consider me to be the "child of Akritas"? And why do you think I am "too ridiculous"?

Yesterday, I was accused of having an "agenda" by Paphitis. Today it's your turn to do the same.

Explain yourself, rationally, coherently and without resorting to name-calling, and I will respond, likewise.

[insan]

The so called-Cypriot;

insan, I prefer not to put a prefix before my identity. Please explain what you mean by "so called".

u r not even aware of that had TCs have 17.000 NG and 60-70 thousands of reservists, there would have been just 650 Turkish troops in North.

I'm not entirely certain what this means but I believe you're referring to the Annan Plan which the vast majority of the Cypriot people, taken as a whole, exercised their democratic right to to reject.

Their reasons are well known, as are the reasons why a majority of the people specifically in the north felt it was in their particular best interests to voted for it.

I've noticed how Cypriots wanting to justify their position refer to the Annan Plan; or to the coup; or to the invasion; or to 1963; or to 1960; or to 1955; or to 1571.

What's done is done. Let's move forward, together, rather than blaming each other for what's gone in the past. For playing the blame game has got us and will get us nowhere.

The children of Akritas consider themselves very smart but in reality they r too ridiculous.

What do you mean by this? Why do you consider me to be the "child of Akritas"? And why do you think I am "too ridiculous"?

Yesterday, I was accused of having an "agenda" by Paphitis. Today it's your turn to do the same.

Explain yourself, rationally, coherently and without resorting to name-calling, and I will respond, likewise.

I meant and many times emphisized that just by defining yourself as a Cypriot does not make u a Cypriot neither in equal means of being English, Turkish, Greek etc. nor in the meaning of feeling yourself as a Cypriot just like an American. Cypriot in Cyprus, just cites ur place of birth or indicates that u r a descendant of a Cyprus born woman or man.

In my opinion, being a Cypriot in Cyprus is not that easy. Because various reasons, respectively; vast majority of 2 communities -culturally, socially, economically, linguistically- feel themselves closer to the members of their own ethnic group or national group. This feeling naturally developed throughout our troublesome, common history in perfect correlation of local, national and universal events and developments.

When a GC leader talks abt national interests, means the national interests of Hellenes and when a TC leader talks abt the national interests, means the national interests of Turks. This type of Cypriots constitute overwhelming majority of Cypriots. This is a fact.

There r many events happened in the past and even in near past which prove us when it comes to national interests of an ethnic community of Cyprus; even opposite ideological groups of one ethnic group can join forces just to defeat the other ethnic group and it's suporter(s). In such cases the weaker ethnic group is doomed to obbey the rule of stronger community. Is it fair?

It was clear in above statement what I meant. U claimed that there's an overseas occupying soldier for every three to four citizens in North and I told u had there been 17.000 TC NG and 60-70 thousands of TC reservists; there would have been just 650 Turkish troops in North just like GCs have 2000-2500 ELDYK and Greek officers in South. In such a case would there be still an "occupation army" in North?
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Moreover, u skip all the facts regarding the strong reasons behind the population exchange under the then circumstances. If u claim that there wasn't strong reasons for TC-Turkish side for population exchange and if u claim that the then problems could be solved without exchanging populations into 2 zones, plz tell me abt ur counter arguements.

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For me, our past just constitutes the source of knowledge to shape our common or seperate future. I and vast majority of TCs have always been ready to move forward with fresh steps based on the experiences of the past and realities of today. Moving forward does not mean we will accept minority status in Cyprus but sure it would be the greatest step forward according to ur "osmosis" policy based on ur own national ineterests. It was the biggest dream of ultra-nationalist TPapa and his backers.

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I consider u and ur alikes as the children of Akritas because u skip(or u have no knowledge) all the facts which led us to the current situation and keep defending ur one sided arguments that either TPap or Chris had/have pursued.