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Postby Oracle » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:49 pm

insan wrote:
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insan wrote:Weird :lol: In 1916 Cyprus was ethnically Turks. :lol:


No you scribbler with some yellow highlighter ... it was ethnically British according to your (doctored) "map"; you used the same yellow :lol: there's a little drop on the bottom right hand corner on the label! :lol: ... Besides, didn't all your Turkish ancestors run off to Turkey because their motherland (which wasn't officially so in 1916 anyway, Mr Hysterical revisionist :roll: ), was on the wrong side of WWI and you were frightened of what revenge the Brits might enact upon you. ..... You're all illegal settlers now aint'cha!


http://etc.usf.edu/Maps/pages/000/46/46.htm

U better go bellyache to the author of that map. :lol: Tell him that it does not suit ur racists aspirations. :lol:


Cyprus is less yellow there - similar shade to Greece. Fine! ... thanks to you laying off with the crayons. :lol:

But "Turkey" looks like it was colonised by the British :lol:

BTW ... My only "racist" aspirations are that one day the Turks will join the one Human race, instead of behaving like they are some super-special-unique creation!
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 07, 2009 5:51 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:"Turks didn't ethnically cleanse 150.000 GCs from north of the island. U better blame EOKA-B and beside "majority rule" supporters that are directly related with the exchange of populations and creation of 2 zones on Cyprus."

Insan,

By August of 1974, most GC's in the north were forced to leave by the Turkish army. What was left was a few thousand GC's in Karpasia which were cut off by the advancing Turkish army. The 'exchange of populations' as you put it was a demand by Turkey to forcefully move the tens of thousands of TC's in the south to the north in exchange for the few GC's that were left after the invasion. Your distortion of facts is breathtaking!


mikkie, u well know that there was a strong reason of why TCs and GCs fled to safer areas during the combat between Hellenic forces and Turkish intervention forces. Afterwards the second phase of Turkish intervention; irregulars of EOKA-B was still active and threatining both the newly installed leadership of GCs and Turkey with guerilla warfare. Under such dangerous and hostile environment it was no longer possible for the people of 2 communities live mixed without any fear and uneasiness. This is a fact! Why u r trying to ignore it?
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Postby -mikkie2- » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:10 pm

"Under such dangerous and hostile environment it was no longer possible for the people of 2 communities live mixed without any fear and uneasiness. This is a fact! Why u r trying to ignore it?"

I like the way you try to look at things simplisticly.

I am not trying to ingore anything. It is you that is DISTORTING facts. I am simply saying to you that GC's in the north fled from the Turkish army for fear of their lives. The TC's in the south didn't 'migrate' north until a year after the invasion when Turkey forced the TC's in the south to move north. Your description makes out that there was a spontanious migration of TC's and GC's at the same time. This was clearly NOT the case. Most GC's that came in contact with the Turkish army suffered unspeakable abuse, and much of this is documented. And now we are slowly seeing the truth coming out from Turks of the attrocities commited during the invasion which most people knew about anyway.
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Postby YFred » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:25 pm

How do you explain the GCs living in the Karpaz region, despite 74 and the TCs living in the South despite 63 and 67? It is possible to live together, it’s a matter of how? If we can work it out, it will benefit everybody.
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Postby insan » Tue Apr 07, 2009 6:35 pm

-mikkie2- wrote:"Under such dangerous and hostile environment it was no longer possible for the people of 2 communities live mixed without any fear and uneasiness. This is a fact! Why u r trying to ignore it?"

I like the way you try to look at things simplisticly.

I am not trying to ingore anything. It is you that is DISTORTING facts. I am simply saying to you that GC's in the north fled from the Turkish army for fear of their lives. The TC's in the south didn't 'migrate' north until a year after the invasion when Turkey forced the TC's in the south to move north. Your description makes out that there was a spontanious migration of TC's and GC's at the same time. This was clearly NOT the case. Most GC's that came in contact with the Turkish army suffered unspeakable abuse, and much of this is documented. And now we are slowly seeing the truth coming out from Turks of the attrocities commited during the invasion which most people knew about anyway.


mikkie, it is obvious that either u r ignorant abt this issue or u r trying to distort the fact with ur sole knowledge based on Hellenic propaganda.

"VIENNA III AGREEMENT– 2 AUGUST 1975 (UN DOCUMENT S/11789)
1. The Turkish Cypriots at present in the South of the Island will be allowed, if they want to do so, to proceed North with their belongings under an organized programme and with the assistance of UNFICYP.
2. Mr. Denktash reaffirmed, and it was agreed, that the Greek Cypriots at present in the North of the Island are free to stay and that they will be given every help to lead a normal life, including facilities for education and for the practice of their religion, as well as medical care by their own doctors and freedom of movement in the North.
3. The Greek Cypriots at present in the North who, at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure, wish to move to the South will be permitted to do so.
4. UNFICYP will have free and normal access to Greek Cypriot villages and habitations in the North.
5. In connection with the implementation of the above agreement priority will be given to the re-unification of families, which may also involve the transfer of a number of Greek Cypriots, at present in the South, to the North [...]

This Agreement stipulated that Turkish Cypriots then residing in the south (some 10,700 in number) were free to move to the north, if they wished to do so, with the assistance of UNFICYP; and Greek Cypriots then remaining in the north (about 10,000 in number) were free to stay there and were to be provided with access to the facilities they needed to lead a normal life. The Greek Cypriots in the north would also be permitted to move to the south ‘at their own request and without having been subjected to any kind of pressure’. In addition, it was agreed that ‘priority would be given to reunification of families, which may also involve the transfer of a number of Cypriots at present in the south to the north’.

The results of the Agreement are well known. Within the space of a few months, the number of Turkish Cypriots remaining in the south was reduced to 130. The Greek Cypriot population in the north also shrank, but more gradually, such that it was only around 500 by the early 1990s.

Given the two sides’ very different experiences of the context and their more or less conflicting concerns, it is perhaps not surprising that their interpretations of the Vienna Agreement have always diverged. The Turkish Cypriot side refers to the Agreement as the ‘1975 Vienna Population Exchange Agreement’ or the ‘Voluntary Re-grouping of Population Agreement’, and has come to see it as simply meaning that ‘the Turkish Cypriots living in the south would be allowed to move to the north, if they wished to do so, and the Greek Cypriots living in the north would be allowed to move to the south, if they desired so’. The Greek Cypriots, in contrast, talk about it as the ‘Vienna III (Humanitarian) Agreement’, which, if implemented properly, ‘would have allowed 20,000 Greek Cypriots and Maronites to stay and live a normal life in the occupied Karpasia Peninsula and the Maronite villages’.

It is important to emphasize that the Greek Cypriots accepted this agreement under the pressure of circumstances and despite their general unease at the time that it might help the Turkish Cypriot aim of ‘partition’. They agreed because they decided it was the only way to stop the Turks from ‘expelling’ the remaining 10,000 Greek Cypriots in the north. They also wanted to ensure that the Turkish Cypriots trying to cross to the Turkish-controlled north would not be attacked by Greek Cypriot paramilitaries, as they feared such attacks might trigger further southward incursion by the Turkish army.

One Greek Cypriot leader who opposed the Agreement was Dr Vassos Lyssarides, then leader of the Greek Cypriot political party EDEK (United Central Democratic Union). According to Clerides, his objection was that ‘by allowing the Turkish Cypriots to go north we impliedly accepted that the solution would be based on a bizonal federation, and that it would constitute an impediment to the return of all refugees to their homes’.


http://www.internal-displacement.org/idmc/website/countries.nsf/(httpEnvelopes)/DCF7F13C4FF072CCC125736F0052D442?OpenDocument
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Postby Pax » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:41 pm

Paphitis wrote:
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Paphitis wrote:I was referring to the fact that Turks can't tolerate a Cyprus that is predominately Hellenic and would prefer to eradicate Hellenism from the island.

Turks aren't the only ones who laugh at Slavic mongrel claims of self-aggrandizement!

After all, they’re the ones who injected the Ottoman blood in your Slavic veins to form the modern Mongrel “Greek”! :lol:


And what about the modern mongrel Choirokitians that are going to become more Turk than Atta himself..... :lol:

The Turks are laughing at you GR! and rubbing their grubby hands together. Good job.

How does it feel to capitulate to Turkey's will while Greece innocently looks on?


I thought that Ataturk was of Greek heritage of Muslim belief like so many hundreds of thousands from the area in and around Salonika, which if I'm not mistaken was his birthplace. It always struck me as rather ironical that the 'father of the Turks' was actually of Greek origin.
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Postby Paphitis » Wed Apr 08, 2009 2:23 am

YFred wrote:How do you explain the GCs living in the Karpaz region, despite 74 and the TCs living in the South despite 63 and 67? It is possible to live together, it’s a matter of how? If we can work it out, it will benefit everybody.


They were not even allowed to have their own high school,
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