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[yialousa1971]

Mycenaean Shipwreck dated 1400BC found north of Cyprus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulu_Burun

Bye Bye GatTourri!

Hmm, according to your link…

“…discovered off the south coast of Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea near the city of Kaş in the province of Antalya”

It looks like some of your Mycenaean mates wondered off to Turkey… they must’ve had a ball there spreading “Hellenic” culture!

Btw, I loved the pictures! That boat is big enough to have carried an entire family at a time! A couple more centuries and they should ALL arrive on Cyprus!

Even if just 100 Mycenaeans (three boat loads per year) migrated to Cyprus per annum over just one measly Century, then the Mycenaean migration to Cyprus would number number some 10,000 people.

They're still arriving, only they call them Pontians these days...

CYPRUS WAS MOSTLY UNINHABITED.

I heard that the only thing the Mycenaeans found when they got there was a sign that read... "If you can read this you can't possibly be Mycenaean!"

So what are you then, in your own words you say your Greek Cypriot. See it's from your website:-

“Get Real!” or “GR” as he is also known, is a Greek Cypriot forumer who has been active in a number of political forums, predominantly pertaining to the Cyprus Problem, for a number of years.

So please tell us what you are. Btw gr is the country code for Greece on the internet.

[Paphitis]

Mycenaean Shipwreck dated 1400BC found north of Cyprus.

Hmm, according to your link…

“…discovered off the south coast of Turkey in the Mediterranean Sea near the city of Kaş in the province of Antalya”

Come to think of it... those poor shipwrecked Mycenaeans had no idea they’d be writing history, for this may well be the oldest recorded anal sex on a beach!

That's right!

JUST NORTHWEST OF CYPRUS.

Read it and weep sunshine...

http://www.maplandia.com/turkey/antalya/antalya/

[Paphitis]

Aboard the Uluburun wreck were artifacts representing cultures in the Mediterranean from areas such as Cyprus, Canaan, Israel, Arabia, tropical Africa, Syria, Palestine, Mycenae, Egypt, Old Babylon and Syria. The combination and variety of contents on the wreck depict a diverse trade industry. The cultures were mixing socially, or at least commercially, as shown by the relics of two Mycenaean travelers on board the ship in addition to the Syrian-Palestinian crew. Two Mycenaean swords, a base of half a Mycenaean flask, a seal, six spearheads, and a stone ceremonial mace-axe from that region were recovered (Pulak, "1994 Excavation...").

The cargo was mostly raw materials: copper, tin, ceramics, bronze, glass, wood, and terebinth resin (a type of amber). There was over ten tons of Cypriot copper; 500 individual copper ingots of four different styles (Fig. 1). There were 120 discoid ingots, 5 ìpillow shapedî ingots, 36 flat two-handled ingots (a style previously unknown), and 313 flat four-handled ingots. Each of the four-handle type weighed about 55/60 pounds. These ingots were a form of transporting the raw copper. The tin ingots fell into similar forms and constituted the largest source of tin from the Bronze Age ñ more than all other Bronze Age finds put together. Chemical analyses of the copper and tin were conducted in order to determine the origin. The conclusion of the lead-Isotope tests on the copper pointed to Cyprus. The tests on the tin, however, showed only the exclusion of an eastern European, Cornish or Spanish origin. The terebinth resin found showed that the ship had been carrying about a ton of the stuff. This was the first instance in which the resin could be positively identified. It was the largest deposit ever found and is from the area west of the Dead Sea (Pulak, "Shipwreck...").

Glass beads along with agate beads, carnelian beads, quartz beads, faience beads, gold Canaanite jewelry, seashell rings and amber jewelry made up most of the ornamental cargo. Ebony (Blackwood), Elephant tusks, hippopotamus teeth and ostrich eggshells were among the most exotic finds (Pulak, "Shipwreck...").

Almonds, pine nuts, figs, olives, grapes, black cumin, sumac, coriander, safflower, pomegranate, wheat, and barley were identified as the perishable items on the ship. Fish hooks, fish spears, fish net weights, tools, sickles, drills, drill bits, chisels, axes, bronze weaponry, oil lamps and Cypriot ceramic pottery comprised the bulk of functional articles (Pulak, "1994 Excavation...").

In addition to the Cypriot pottery (Fig. 2), there were 150 Canaanite jars found. They are from north of Israel, possibly Syria. The smallest of the jars, which made up 75% of the total, held about 7 quarts. The middle-sized jars were about twice that volume and the largest jars held about 28 quarts. This largest unit most likely defines the ancient unit ìbath.î (Pulak, "Shipwreck...")

There was a gold Canaanite fertility figurine on board which is similar to pendants in Ugarit. A gold scarab engraved with the name ìNefertitiî (Fig. 3) and another with the name of ìThutmose Iî were found as well. These scarabs helped determine the time period of the wreck by identifying two rulers of known periods (Pulak, "Shipwreck...").

Several sets of pan-balance weights were found indicating at least three merchants on board (Pulak, "1994 Excavation..."). The weights were geometric; made of stone, lead and bronze (Peachey, "Continuing Study..."). There was also a zoomorphic set of weights probably belonging to the head merchant.

Twenty-four anchors were recovered along with the wreck. These anchors helped establish an idea of where the ship came from. Since the anchors would have probably been purchased close to wherever the ship set sail, their origin should be indicative of the shipís. The anchors are of a type constructed off the coast of Israel, Ugarit, Byblos, Kition, Tell Abu Hawam and Tel Nami. The remains of wicker fencing around the shipís deck were probably to block waves. This is a technique used by Syrian shipmakers, indicated a Syrian origin . The ultimate conclusion is that the ship was from Syria (Pulak, "Shipwreck...").

http://www.utexas.edu/courses/clubmed/artifact.html



Are you still alive GatTourri?

[Get Real!]

Err… yeah, that is SO close to Cyprus…

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Antalya_districts.png

I think these debates with the gay Greeks are much more fun than with Turks/TCs!

[Lit]

It's no good, I have to say this Cy v Gr business is pollocks. Few of us can trace our ancestry back more than a few generations. The other truth of the matter is that we are probably all mongrels to some extent or other.

...and it's ridiculously divisive in these dangerous times.

I fear I must also say that those who take part in it have lost the plot and also lost sight of the Real National Struggle.

The real national struggle indeed .Our people to unite and get those occupying foreign troops back to their home. Get the Cypriot people to cast off the chains of oppression by Turkey and Greece and proclaim loudly that Cypriots we are and Cypriots we shall be .

ps.Denis , how is the date mate

FFS Milt, what chains of oppression do you currently have from Greece?

This is getting f**** ridiculous

The chains of oppression are the mental ones , the perpetuating brain washing that WE ARE NOT CYPRIOTS but Hellenes . The continuation by the Church to deny our people their true natural inclination to be Cypriots.Why on earth does a church have to fly a Greek flag and violate by so doing my rights as a Cypriot to be a Cypriot.
The brain washing or rather the indiscriminate mental rape that is continuing is what I call " oppression" .
The T/Cs are far more exposed to it than the G/Cs but one can understand their guarded misapprehension at letting lose of their own chains.

So you feel mentally oppressed by Greece because the church flies a Greek flag?

Milt, our church is the Greek orthodox church..they're not gonna fly the Canadian flag.

And you're equating this with the physical occupation of our country by the Turkish army? Have we lost the plot a little?

You know me better than that DT !
As for the Greek Orthodox Church flying the Greek flag what do you think the Canadian Anglcan Church flies , or the Australian Anglican Church or even the Spanish Catholic Church !!!

Erm, I would like to point out that the Anglican Church is the Queen's Church and they do fly the British Flag and promote and allegiance to a foreign Monarch.

Bye Bye Milt!...

Back to back, Paph.

These Brits are going to come into this forum and tell us who we are? Never that!

by Stephanie Lynn Budin - 2004 - History - 469 pages

http://tinyurl.com/de85an

The Mycenaeans settled on the western edge of Cyprus at Maa-Palaikastro as early as 1190 BCE Within a few decades, they moved into the Cypriot city of Paphos (also called Palaipaphos, to distinguish it from the later Roman town of Nea Paphos) and shared the city with the Cypriot inhabitants. The Minians also moved to Cyprus, settling the north and east of the island in early eleventh century. By the tenth century, much of Cyprus was Hellenized.

That explains GR!s hatred of Paphites.....they are much taller than his 150cms...

GR! is nuts.


Greek writing from Knossos to Homer:

by Roger D. Woodard

"there appears to have occurred a massive influx of refugees into Cyprus from the Aegean. These Mycenaean or "Achaean" refugees settled in several ..."

Here is Roger D. Woodard's exact words. Why is every one stating the exact same thing?

Here we go:

[Paphitis]

MYCENAEAN SHIPWRECK FOUND AT KITION, CYPRUS.

Others of similar type have been found at the Cape Gelidonya shipwreck and in Kition on Cyprus.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ulu_Burun

More evidence of Hellenic Maritime connections with Cyprus in 400BC:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyrenia_ship

[Get Real!]

Speaking of nuts, mine are hurting. This furkin girl turned me on tonight and then she just stopped and told me she had to go home. What the furk!

That’s after she saw the Greek mythology dangling between your legs…

[Get Real!]

Here is Roger D. Woodard's exact words. Why is every one stating the exact same thing?

Well duh! Because they're all copying the same source?

Next idiot please...

[Paphitis]

MYCENAEAN TRADE AND MIGRATION SPANS 3 CONTINENTS.

www.archaeological.org/pdfs/education/c ... apter7.pdf

[Get Real!]

So what are you then, in your own words you say your Greek Cypriot. See it's from your website:-

I've got a website? It's not about Greek mythology is it???