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[DT.]

It's no good, I have to say this Cy v Gr business is pollocks. Few of us can trace our ancestry back more than a few generations. The other truth of the matter is that we are probably all mongrels to some extent or other.

...and it's ridiculously divisive in these dangerous times.

I fear I must also say that those who take part in it have lost the plot and also lost sight of the Real National Struggle.

The real national struggle indeed .Our people to unite and get those occupying foreign troops back to their home. Get the Cypriot people to cast off the chains of oppression by Turkey and Greece and proclaim loudly that Cypriots we are and Cypriots we shall be .

ps.Denis , how is the date mate

FFS Milt, what chains of oppression do you currently have from Greece?

This is getting f**** ridiculous

Oppression can be PHYSICAL and/or MENTAL.

Leave our wives out of this.

[denizaksulu]

Thor Heyerdhal sailed a raft some thousands of miles across the Pacific to demonstrate the viability of early navigations.

Never mind the one Bill, how do you get THOUSANDS of men, women, and children across 1,200Km in those stupid things?

And don't forget to carry enough food & water to last them a month!

GR, am not against you, but smaller ships would be able to follow the Anatolian coast. Still a long shot. Most of the settlers/traders came from Asia Minor anyway. They brought their Obsidian to Khiroikitia.

I’ve ne read of ANY migration by sea in their thousands during the first or second millennium BC… have you? All migrations took place on land back then and I can understand why!

Playing the devil’s advocate, I’d have to conclude that cannibalism would’ve played a major part during those journeys if any were to make it to the “promised land”!

No I have not read of such large scale migrations. I did say its a long shot. If, as you said they had a few thousand ships/boats they could have followed the southern coast of Anatolia, but I doubt it ever happened. What I had read was that the 'Greeks' were traders who set up trading colonies and brought their culture with them; but no large scale migration.

[DT.]

It's no good, I have to say this Cy v Gr business is pollocks. Few of us can trace our ancestry back more than a few generations. The other truth of the matter is that we are probably all mongrels to some extent or other.

...and it's ridiculously divisive in these dangerous times.

I fear I must also say that those who take part in it have lost the plot and also lost sight of the Real National Struggle.

The real national struggle indeed .Our people to unite and get those occupying foreign troops back to their home. Get the Cypriot people to cast off the chains of oppression by Turkey and Greece and proclaim loudly that Cypriots we are and Cypriots we shall be .

ps.Denis , how is the date mate

FFS Milt, what chains of oppression do you currently have from Greece?

This is getting f**** ridiculous

The chains of oppression are the mental ones , the perpetuating brain washing that WE ARE NOT CYPRIOTS but Hellenes . The continuation by the Church to deny our people their true natural inclination to be Cypriots.Why on earth does a church have to fly a Greek flag and violate by so doing my rights as a Cypriot to be a Cypriot.
The brain washing or rather the indiscriminate mental rape that is continuing is what I call " oppression" .
The T/Cs are far more exposed to it than the G/Cs but one can understand their guarded misapprehension at letting lose of their own chains.

So you feel mentally oppressed by Greece because the church flies a Greek flag?

Milt, our church is the Greek orthodox church..they're not gonna fly the Canadian flag.

And you're equating this with the physical occupation of our country by the Turkish army? Have we lost the plot a little?

You know me better than that DT !
As for the Greek Orthodox Church flying the Greek flag what do you think the Canadian Anglcan Church flies , or the Australian Anglican Church or even the Spanish Catholic Church !!!

They weren't conquered by Ottomans for centuries. DO you see what you're doing here?

[Simon]

What a load of rubbish GR. The Mycenaeans visited and traded with the eastern Mediterranean in general, and were easily capable of bringing people to Cyprus. It would have been a gradual process, not one huge migration! By the same token, how did the Minoans (who were even earlier) bring the Minoan script to Cyprus? Crete isn't that much closer. Oh I forgot, you reckon they didn't, by again ignoring the evidence! GR wants to re-write history based on his own arbitrary beliefs with little or no evidence, and ignoring or dismissing all the evidence against him.

In summary, more garbage from the forum clown!

No, it is NOT rubbish because you’re not using your head Simon!

Trading is one thing but MIGRATING PEOPLE (men, women, and children) in their thousands, is quite another and those things are not exactly your modern cruisers are they?

It looks like you can fit 20-30 people in one of those, most of which would have to use the oars if they're to go anywhere!

Hmm, I wonder how this “great migration” took place… it would take about 35 of these boats just to get 1,000 people across if they all survive! (A one month journey?)

It must’ve been one hell of an operation to coordinate to get thousands of fleeing refugees out of there and safely onto Cyprus… I guess the invading Dorians must’ve helped them evacuate or even lend them some of their own boats!

Don’t you just love mythology? It does away with real life impossibility and let’s you manufacture anything you want…

GR, what you are spouting is pure unadulterated trash. It is you that is not using your head! Because following your logic through, what you are effectively saying is that it is impossible for anybody to migrate and colonise an area in those days. What complete garbage! You look at a picture of a boat and think you know it all! You get worse. How do you even know that was the only type of boat they used? I wonder why no historian has picked up on this shocking revelation GR has exposed! If they could reach there for trade, carrying a wealth of goods forwards and backwards, then why the hell can't they go back and settle there? You tell me!

The migration probably lasted years and would have been a gradual process, and I'm sure there would have been more than 35 boats used as well! Stretch your imagination a bit GR!

In any event, 35 boats carrying 1,000 people isn't bad. A few round trips and you've exceeded what would have then been the population of Cyprus.

[bill cobbett]

Thor Heyerdhal sailed a raft some thousands of miles across the Pacific to demonstrate the viability of early navigations.

Never mind the one Bill, how do you get THOUSANDS of men, women, and children across 1,200Km in those stupid things?

And don't forget to carry enough food & water to last them a month!

GR, am not against you, but smaller ships would be able to follow the Anatolian coast. Still a long shot. Most of the settlers/traders came from Asia Minor anyway. They brought their Obsidian to Khiroikitia.

I’ve never read of ANY migration by sea in their thousands during the first or second millennium BC… have you? All migrations took place on land back then and I can understand why!

Playing the devil’s advocate, I’d have to conclude that cannibalism would’ve played a major part during those journeys if any were to make it to the “promised land”!

By undertaking these expeditions Heyerdhal also demonstrated a feasible mechanism for the colonisation of the Polynesian islands (mid Pacific) by sea faring early civilisations.

[Get Real!]

Oppression can be PHYSICAL and/or MENTAL.

Leave our wives out of this.

[Get Real!]

...what you are effectively saying is that it is impossible for anybody to migrate and colonise an area in those days. What complete garbage!

A bunch of experienced seamen is no problem, but MOVING thousands of non-seamen (people of all ages and sizes) with oars in 1200BC? I don’t think so because we’re talking SERIOUS logistics here…

How do you even know that was the only type of boat they used?

Damn! I intentionally omitted the other model...

I wonder why no historian has picked up on this shocking revelation GR has exposed! If they could reach there for trade, carrying a wealth of goods forwards and backwards, then why the hell can't they go back and settle there? You tell me!

Told you 2-3 times already... L O G I S T I C S!

The migration probably lasted years and would have been a gradual process,

So have you abandoned the idea of huge migrations now? I guess something must be getting through to you…

and I'm sure there would have been more than 35 boats used as well! Stretch your imagination a bit GR!

Honestly, I'm trying but this is Greek mythology we're talking about!

[Simon]

...what you are effectively saying is that it is impossible for anybody to migrate and colonise an area in those days. What complete garbage!

Get Real wrote:

A bunch of experienced seamen is no problem, but MOVING thousands of non-seamen (people of all ages and sizes) with oars in 1200BC? I don’t think so because we’re talking SERIOUS logistics here…

Who said they weren't seamen? These were traders amongst others that colonised Cyprus. I think you need to do some research

How do you even know that was the only type of boat they used?

Get Real wrote:

:oops: Damn! I intentionally omitted the other model...

Basically, you're just clueless aren't you? Go on, admit it...

I wonder why no historian has picked up on this shocking revelation GR has exposed! If they could reach there for trade, carrying a wealth of goods forwards and backwards, then why the hell can't they go back and settle there? You tell me!

Get Real wrote:

Told you 2-3 times already... L O G I S T I C S!

It requires good logistics to transport goods as well as people. So why can't they set up trading colonies, which would have grew and expanded? I'm waiting for a detailed response and not just 'logistics'.

The migration probably lasted years and would have been a gradual process,

Get Real wrote:

So have you abandoned the idea of huge migrations now? I guess something must be getting through to you…

Hold your horses forum clown, I said in my previous posts that it would have been a gradual process and NOT a mass migration. So do not put words into my mouth because you cannot defeat my actual arguments!

and I'm sure there would have been more than 35 boats used as well! Stretch your imagination a bit GR!

Get Real wrote:

Honestly, I'm trying but this is Greek mythology we're talking about!

The Greeks colonised Cyprus, and these people went on to prosper; found settlements and multiply, spreading their culture across the island. Hence, Cyprus became Greek. Simple when you use your brain.

[Get Real!]

Who said they weren't seamen? These were traders amongst others that colonised Cyprus. I think you need to do some research

When you read that Myceneans were “seamen” it doesn't mean every single one of them (men, women, and children) were in the water all day, so start using a little common sense. It simply means that they mostly opted for fishing for food instead of farming.

Basically, you're just clueless aren't you? Go on, admit it...

You're just too good for me Simon... I give up!

It requires good logistics to transport goods as well as people. So why can't they set up trading colonies? I'm waiting for a detailed response and not just 'logistics'.

No detailed report required but common sense... moving one or two boat's worth of goods is one thing and moving thousands of people while being attacked is quite another!

Hold your horses forum clown, I said in my previous posts that it would have been a gradual process and NOT a mass migration. So do not put words into my mouth because you cannot defeat my actual arguments!

Sorry Simon, but I don't consider you as much of a match... this is unkie GR you're talking to remember? It’s easy to forget in your Hellenic fanaticism…

The Greeks colonised Cyprus, and these people went on to prosper; found settlements and multiply, spreading their culture across the island. Hence, Cyprus became Greek. Simple when you use your brain.

Everything is simple when you've got a Slavic-Greek brain... you don't have to think but nod!

[Simon]

Get Real wrote:

When you read that Myceneans were “seamen” it doesn't mean every single one of them (men, women, and children) were in the water all day, so start using a little common sense. It simply means that they mostly opted for fishing for food instead of farming.

Well GR, you really got me there I didn't realise that every person on a boat had to be an experienced seaman. I'll have to remember that the next time I'm on a cruise. These were traders that originally set up trading colonies you fool, so stop manufacturing this thousands of men, women and children in a single great migration nonsense that you yourself invented.

Get Real wrote:

You're just too good for me Simon... I give up!

Obviously so.

Get Real wrote:

No detailed report required but common sense... moving one or two boat's worth of goods is one thing and moving thousands of people while being attacked is quite another!

Do you think anybody was suggesting that they moved thousands of people in one effort? Are you really that thick? I think it is you that needs to use some common sense!

Hold your horses forum clown, I said in my previous posts that it would have been a gradual process and NOT a mass migration. So do not put words into my mouth because you cannot defeat my actual arguments!

Get Real wrote:

Sorry Simon, but I don't consider you as much of a match... this is unkie GR you're talking to remember? It’s easy to forget in your Hellenic fanaticism…

I know, I'm talking to GR, the idiot that gets embarrassed at every turn! AKA the forum clown You're right, when you and I go head to head, it often isn't a match, I normally just eat you up.

The Greeks colonised Cyprus, and these people went on to prosper; found settlements and multiply, spreading their culture across the island. Hence, Cyprus became Greek. Simple when you use your brain.

Get Real wrote:

Everything is simple when you've got a Slavic-Greek brain... you don't have to think but nod!

Yep, I didn't think you would have an answer to that one! So you go back to your pathetic quips!