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[boulio]

GR why do you talk of things you hae no idea about.Stick to your choriatikan theories and leave the aegean dispute alone.

[Get Real!]

GR why do you talk of things you hae no idea about.Stick to your choriatikan theories and leave the aegean dispute alone.

What's the matter Greek boy? Did you not see the Turkish flag mast driven into Imia soil while the Greek navy looked on from a distance and the Greek government was on the phone begging the US to get them off?

[boulio]

i beg to differ greek boy if you read clintons memoirs there is a few pages concerning the imia crisis and it has Tsiller and demiril calling clinton in the middle of the night begging to interject because they miscalculated the greek reaction to the imia crisis and it has clinton scratching his head on how a country would risk a war for a couple of rocks with goats on them.Like i said dont involve yourself with things that you dont understand or concern you for that matter.

[Get Real!]

i beg to differ greek boy if you read clintons memoirs there is a few pages concerning the imia crisis and it has Tsiller and demiril calling clinton in the middle of the night begging to interject because they miscalculated the greek reaction to the imia crisis and it has clinton scratching his head on how a country would risk a war for a couple of rocks with goats on them.

I assure you NOBODY miscalculated Greek reaction… or lack thereof!

Like i said dont involve yourself with things that you dont understand or concern you for that matter.

Either that or Greece has been telling lies to her gullible fools...

[EPSILON]

It is not daft at all to suggest such a thing. We, the cypriots of today, are ourselves A PRODUCT of these two later entities!!

We are not offspring of the indigenous ancient cypriots! so their civilization is alien to me.

Look, you’re just too silly to be taken seriously… you clearly don’t understand how humanity began and had gradually shaped.

For your info, Cyprus is the wellspring from which gnosis flowed into Europe and not the other way round!

There is nothing Greek or Turkish about Cyprus… although you may find plenty of Cypriot influence in both Greece and Turkey!

Perhaps your family is just Greek and you’ve been assuming all these years that everyone else in Cyprus is just like you!

The point is that everyone else in Cyprus is not like you.!

[boulio]

boulio wrote:
i beg to differ greek boy if you read clintons memoirs there is a few pages concerning the imia crisis and it has Tsiller and demiril calling clinton in the middle of the night begging to interject because they miscalculated the greek reaction to the imia crisis and it has clinton scratching his head on how a country would risk a war for a couple of rocks with goats on them.

I assure you NOBODY miscalculated Greek reaction… or lack thereof!

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Like i said dont involve yourself with things that you dont understand or concern you for that matter.

Either that or Greece has been telling lies to her gullible fools...

and i assure according to Bill Clintons Mmoirs someone did.

i suggest you read the following:

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/images ... 5_cont.pdf

you can read greek ofcourse correct?

[Get Real!]

boulio wrote:
i beg to differ greek boy if you read clintons memoirs there is a few pages concerning the imia crisis and it has Tsiller and demiril calling clinton in the middle of the night begging to interject because they miscalculated the greek reaction to the imia crisis and it has clinton scratching his head on how a country would risk a war for a couple of rocks with goats on them.

I assure you NOBODY miscalculated Greek reaction… or lack thereof!

Quote:
Like i said dont involve yourself with things that you dont understand or concern you for that matter.

Either that or Greece has been telling lies to her gullible fools...

and i assure according to Bill Clintons Mmoirs someone did.

i suggest you read the following:

http://www.defencenet.gr/defence/images ... 5_cont.pdf

you can read greek ofcourse correct?

Greek propaganda garbage!

Don’t ever post such shit in the CyProb again.

[Klik]

why is every fact you hate, propaganda?

[supporttheunderdog]

Where did you get the previous map you silly twat? I seen it before in a website. You do not want us to read the content of that web site, perhaps?

http://www.google.com/images?q=dorian+i ... =&gs_rfai=

Try also http://outline-of-history.mindvessel.ne ... oples.html

The map was drawn by HG Wells as part of a History of the whole world in 2 volumes
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At the end of the first World War, famed writer and futurist H. G. Wells embarked on a project to explain the entirety of human history in a single narrative flow. In 1920, the work was published as two bound volumes entitled The Outline of History. The History seems to have struck a chord with the reader of the day. With the horrors of the Great War still fresh in mind, and it’s consequences deeply effecting one’s daily life, perhaps an interpretive explanation of the arc that brought civilization to such a state was a comfort. Regardless of reasons, the book became quite popular and is in fact still in print
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[supporttheunderdog]

Dorians were a Greek tribe. competing Greek city-states of Athens and Sparta always went to war against each other but that doesnt mean they werent Greek city states. Go back to your youtube to learn history you silly twit.

Study this map and pay attention where the Dorians came from to invade Greeks...

Those are all the same people. They would have arisen from that broad sweeping arrow of ONE haplotype you presented earlier!

Here is a link to a another forum with information on Y DNA Haplogroups, which I pass on as is, without responsibility and without guarantee as to relaibility. All I can say is that the the very ancient occupants of what is now Greece, pre Myceanaens, and the Cypriots of that time, appear to be from the same gene pool but the Myceneans and Dorains were not.

http://www.eupedia.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25163

in particular
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Ancient Greeks

Pelasgians (pre-Minoan Greeks, or Helladic Greeks) belonged to an admixture of I, E-V13, T and G2a. E-V13 and T probably arrived in Greece from the Levant (and ultimately from Egypt, hence the small percentage of T) in the early Neolithic, 8,500 years ago. G2a came from the Caucasus approximately 6,000 years ago as herders of sheep and goats (and early miners ?).

Minoan Greeks migrated from Mesopotamia via Anatolia. They were mostly J2 people, but probably had some E too.

Mycenaean Greeks arrived around 3,600 years ago from the Ukrainian steppes. They were an Indo-European people belonging to R1a. So were the Macedonians and the Thracians (hence the higher density of R1a in northern Greece).

Greece was invaded by the Dorians around 1200 BCE. Nobody knows who they were or where they came from, but the high percentage of R1b in the regions where they settled (Peloponese, Crete) strongly suggest that they were R1b people. The events are linked to the Sea Peoples (see below), who were probably R1b people from the north-east of the Black Sea, or early Celts from central Europe.

Greek historians sometimes mention that the Dorians were the descendants of the Trojans who came back to avenge their ancestors. The Trojans were an Indo-European people related to the R1b Hittites (see below). This would also explain why there is about the same percentage of R1b and R1a in modern Greece. Each correspond to a different wave of Indo-European invader. They only make up 12% of the population (each) because the Neolithic farmers (especially E and J2) were already well-established and numerous by that time.

Ancient Anatolians

Southern Anatolia was colonised early by Neolithic farmers from the Near East (E + J2).

The Indo-European invasions brought the Hittites (1750 BCE), the Lydians and Lycians (1450 BCE) and the Proto-Armenians (1200 BCE). All were probably R1b, considering the high percentage of R1b in the regions they settled. R1b Indo-Europeans are thought to have originated on the north-eastern shores of the Black Sea, just north of the Caucasus. They could have invaded northern Anatolia by crossing the Caucasus, sailing across the sea, or going around via the steppes through the Bosphorus.

Later R1b were possibly (part of) the Sea Peoples that ravaged the ancient Near Eastern civilizations, from Greece to Egypt. Their advance military technology and sea-based culture make of them very good candidates.

The Phrygians arrived in northern Anatolia after 1200 BCE, and were probably an offshoot from the Thracians (so R1a).#
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Cyprus remains high in J2 not R1. That suggest the Myceaneans and later Greek Tribes did not have a great genetic impact on the Cypriot poplation

There are some other intersting comments on this site about genetics.