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and SHOULD be proud of, whether it is Byzantium or Ancient Greece.

The Byzantine Empire was Roman you fool!

Here we go again!

Guess thats why the Italian catholic church speaks Greek now and we speak swahili.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... k-language

Looks like that wasn't enough to stop him, DT.

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Precisely! you are right, it is not our fault as Cypriots....

Come again?

There’s nothing Cypriot about you dude… if anything you just come across as a pitiful little clown with the IQ of a constipated Spartan with his jocks on his head!

so define to me what makes someone "Cypriot", please.

I consider that if someone is born in Cyprus or is of Cypriot extraction by their parents, that is enoug for them to be considered Cypriot....

I believe your definition of a Cypriot involves:

-Completely dissociating oneself from any Greek / Turkish sentiments.
-Believing in a completely separate Cypriot identity removed from any Hellenic or Turkish influence.
-Speaking a language called "Cypriot" which has no traits of Greek in it.
-Rejecting the idea that modern Cypriots are descendants of Ancient Greeks / Ottomans.

[Get Real!]

and SHOULD be proud of, whether it is Byzantium or Ancient Greece.

The Byzantine Empire was Roman you fool!

Here we go again!

Guess thats why the Italian catholic church speaks Greek now and we speak swahili.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/top ... k-language

Looks like that wasn't enough to stop him, DT.

Sorry guys but the link didn't work for me... I get a registration form!

Not that I quite understood what DT was on about...

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Mind you… the only time I understand him is when he’s drunk half a bottle!

[DT.]

Mind you… the only time I understand him is when he’s drunk half a bottle!

Who's drunk the other half I wonder?

[Get Real!]

Mind you… the only time I understand him is when he’s drunk half a bottle!

Who's drunk the other half I wonder?

That's the wasted quantity that runs down the sides of your mouth as you tilt the bottle!


PS: Did you get the goods?

[DT.]

Mind you… the only time I understand him is when he’s drunk half a bottle!

Who's drunk the other half I wonder?

That's the wasted quantity that runs down the sides of your mouth as you tilt the bottle!


PS: Did you get the goods?

bags full. Had to sprint the last 80 yards from the airport security.

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Get real, what makes someone cypriot?

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Read the Iliad. Homer clearly differentiates the Trojans from ACHEANS and ARGIVES, not Greeks. It's a civil war. They all spoke the same language, all worshiped the same gods..
Φοβου τους ΔΑΝΑΟΥΣ does not translate to fear the Greeks... You won't say that "fear the Lombardians" = "fear the Italians" or 'fear the Prussians' = 'fear the Germans'.

The Pelasgians wiki link in English doesn't include the Herodotus quotes, at least not all. It's clear that Herodotus considered the Etruscans as a race that became from Pelasgians. (Tyrrenoi = Etruscans)

The term Hellenic is generally applied (once the Mythology had crystalised) to cover the mythical decendants of a mythical figure Hellen who founded four tribes, includining the Aeolians, Achean/Mycenean, the Dorians and the Ionians.

Hellens sisters provided the Greacians and the Mekedonians.

The Pelagsians are not decended from Hellen and in Clasical times the Plagsian remnants were descrinbed as not speaking Greek.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

However in Homer's time the term Helleneic probably had a limited meaning relating to particular or gropup of tribes in a particuklar area and only applied to a wider area about 250/350 years later: the term Greek likewise applied to one limited tribe who moved to Italy and it was only later adopted by the Romans as applying to the the Greek speaking peoples.

Of note, some of the Athenians did not appear to consider the Macedonians as in any way Greek but as Barbarian.

See the following link for the various names used for Greeks. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graecians# ... F.CE.AF.29

Otherwise Homer's works are stories , a myth or legend which probably have some historical basis but it is not a valid fully reliable contemporaneous document, having been written some 400 years after the event: As he never heard the Trojans speak (and indeed in the 15-20 generations since the events no one who was not there will have heard them speak he may made them Greek speaking and worshiping the same gods either in Ignorance or for effect.

See the following on the Genesis of the Homeric work.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homer

However objective Archaeological research shows the Trojans were probably of Wilusian/Hittite Stock with their own script and language, probably Not Greek.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_language and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy

The Etruscans too are probably not Greek: they had distinct non Greek language possibly related to the Hittite Language and they probably came from Anatolia.

see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etruscan_civilization

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Look, first of all, none of us can be sure. And links on wikipedia no matter how many references they got, are not 100% reliable. They just have some level of reliability.

Trojans did speak Greek, Trojans did have Greek names, Trojan did worship Greek Gods with their Greek names(unlike the Romans who upon using a new language they had to rename the Gods as well, by also changing some of the background of the Gods)

Etruscans were initially a Greek tribe, called Tyrrenoi, who migrated to the north of Italy and after hundreds of years they grew and expanded their borders going as far as Rome in the south. It's highly probable that Etruscans = Tyrrenoi(Greeks), some Hittite tribe that migrated as well and some indigenous northern Italians. We can't be certain. All we know is that Greek tribes actually migrated there. They could have died in battle upon arrival from an already established Hittite tribe, it's all speculation. Let's accept that both Greeks and Hittites were part of the Etruscans.


Just as we say now that there are no pure races or ethnic groups, it was the same back then. People migrated all the time. Celts were everywhere. Greeks were everywhere. As time went past, Romans were everywhere, then Arabs, then Goths, then Saxons etc... It's all complicated yet fascinating. It can't be judged in absolute terms.
What is absolute, since this is a Cyprus Forum, is that Hellinism was spread from 1000 BC till today in at least mainland Greece and Cyprus. There are many other places, but what is important is this. By whatever means it actually happened, Cypriots speak the same language as a Greek tribe used to speak plus some differences from Venetian language(different from Italian), lots of words from the Francs and the Ottomans and some ancient Cypriot words that survived. It's still a Greek dialect, but not an idiom as it started off to be.

Get Real, did I challenge the fact that the Byzantine Empire was not the Eastern Roman Empire? How is that your response waiting for "round two" when all I said was that Rome was possibly founded and settled initially by ancient Greek tribes... How does your response make any sense to this comment?