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I guess that's really the "underdog" of all speculations

Pelasgians were Greeks as much as the Dorians and Myceaneans and Minoans... Pelasgians also migrated to northern Italy and then were called the "Etruscans" The term Pelasgian is messed up, but the same applied to the Hellene which meant not Christian during the Byzantine even if the person was a Hellene in actuality...

Trojans were Greek as well.
There's no doubt that there were some indigenous men on mainland Greece before the majority arrived from the western Steppes, but only a time machine can help you with that.

As for an ancient Greek invasion, that is all crap because simply Greece in ancient times was multiracist... All those different races united under one 'banner' and were called the Hellenes. They together formed their language, together built their cities and monuments and together did everything.

It's like saying who is more American between the English, Spanish, Italian, German, Dutch, French who went there to create the USA but some 5000 years after Hellas was created...

Basically the Pelasgians = Ionians

http://el.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CE%A0%CE% ... E%BF%CE%AF

Everything is here but you need to translate it from Greek (Herodotus quotes on Pelasgians)

Is this the same but in English?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelasgians

On the Trojans seee the following

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troy

and

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trojan_language

These all sugegsts that it could be streching it a bit to call either the Pelasagians or the Tojansd/Wilusisn/Hittes from Troy as Greeks as they did not speak greek, as we think it was spoken by the four major Hellebistic tribes, the Achean/Mycenean, the Inonia, ther Doric and the Aeolinais: further the evidence that the Etruscans were Pelasgians appears week as liguitically their language is not obvioulsy Peagsian.

Even to this day, they speak an Ancient Greek dialect in those regions (Troy - Pontus).

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Read the Iliad. Homer clearly differentiates the Trojans from ACHEANS and ARGIVES, not Greeks. It's a civil war. They all spoke the same language, all worshiped the same gods..
Φοβου τους ΔΑΝΑΟΥΣ does not translate to fear the Greeks... You won't say that "fear the Lombardians" = "fear the Italians" or 'fear the Prussians' = 'fear the Germans'.

The Pelasgians wiki link in English doesn't include the Herodotus quotes, at least not all. It's clear that Herodotus considered the Etruscans as a race that became from Pelasgians. (Tyrrenoi = Etruscans)

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wake me up when the spartans arrive...

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There's no point belittling the Khoirokhitians just to score points.

It is EXACTLY what you are doing with the Ancient Greeks!!!!!

Hypocrisy much????

Sorry, I don't see how. From what I gather, they were of the same people which colonised the mainland and other Greek islands.

Here's a sister settlement (<7000BCE>) from the mainland, near present day Volos:


http://www.greeklandscapes.com/image-slides/sesklo/

shit, sorry I apologise, I did not pay attention to who wrote the response!!!!

I thought it was Get Real who responded and not you, Get Real likes to belittle Hellenic civilisation....

Sorry

[ZoC]

There's no point belittling the Khoirokhitians just to score points.

It is EXACTLY what you are doing with the Ancient Greeks!!!!!

Hypocrisy much????

Sorry, I don't see how. From what I gather, they were of the same people which colonised the mainland and other Greek islands.

Here's a sister settlement (<7000BCE>) from the mainland, near present day Volos:


http://www.greeklandscapes.com/image-slides/sesklo/

shit, sorry I apologise, I did not pay attention to who wrote the response!!!!

I thought it was Get Real who responded and not you, Get Real likes to belittle Hellenic civilisation....

Sorry

and u fools rise to the bait and feel the need to waste pages trying to build it back up again...? makes u wonder, is "hellenic civilisation" that precarious?

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you are right, it is not precarious...but let's be rational.

Modern Greeks are a shadow of our former glories.....we now have a state dogged with corruption, lies, weak leaders, financial insecurity, lack of trust, political scandals.....it is a real mess. Add to that a dark period of our past with right-wing junta, suppression of the left-wing....and you get a republic with not much to shout for in the 20th and 21st centuries, bar 1940 and "oxi"...

We are a proud peoples and we dont have much to be proud of since 1821, given our glorious past...so we will naturally defend every moment of our history which we have a right to be proud of, and SHOULD be proud of, whether it is Byzantium or Ancient Greece.

It is not a matter of it being precarious, it is the idea that we are proud of that chapter of our past which makes being Greek special.

[Get Real!]

the only thing more excruciating than a greek going on and on and on about the glories of ancient greece, is a cypriot doing it.

Sickening... but on second thoughts, their lack of Cypriot pride and allegiance to a foreign country may well be an indicator of very weak Cypriot genes as full blooded Cypriots are usually intolerant of variations.

[Get Real!]

I thought it was Get Real who responded and not you, Get Real likes to belittle Hellenic civilisation....

There's no such thing... it's all in your "megali idea" heads.

[Get Real!]

and SHOULD be proud of, whether it is Byzantium or Ancient Greece.

The Byzantine Empire was Roman you fool!

[ZoC]

the only thing more excruciating than a greek going on and on and on about the glories of ancient greece, is a cypriot doing it.

Sickening... but on second thoughts, their lack of Cypriot pride and allegiance to a foreign country may well be an indicator of very weak Cypriot genes as full blooded Cypriots are usually intolerant of variations.

indeed. and we love beans.