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[insan]

insan,

The document you posted is Dictator Ioannides' view of Makarios and the situation in Cyprus. Do you understand that or not? It is not the US view of the situation.

It is not an objective historical evidence, just a person's testimony/opinion. Should I repeat that he was a dictator?

The document clearly reveals that the coup was not organized in collaboration of Junta and CIA. It clearly shows that it was the self-decision of Greek Junta and national front of GCs. Crazy retard Ionnides presumes that US leadership would applaud him because he overthrew Makarios and liberate GCs from the so-called communist threat. Here's İonnides own words which clearly reveals that it was his own stupid decision based on his retarded assumptions.

Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots.

Paphitis, claims that Ionnides had respect to sovereignity and non-interference of Cyprus. So why did he back the Sampson Coup to overthrow the elected President of Cyprus, Makarios? Why didn't he respect the decisions of Makarios regarding illegal activities of Greek officers? Ionnides was really a stupid, ridiculous retard.

Furthermore u expected Turks to trust this stupid, ridiculous retard. And his Cypriot extension bloody-fascist Sampson who is a well known anti-Turk fascist.

I agree with you. Paphitis is wrong.

I thought you claimed that this was the position of the US government.

I did not claim that.

I just highlighted the manifesto as evidence that the US and Greek Junta were collaborating against the Makarios Government and that ENOSIS was off the agenda... I also highlighted certain parts to highlight the fact that Turkey was "officially aware" that that ENOSIS was not an option and yet they still invaded Cyprus....

So why did Turkey invade if it were officially aware that ENOSIS was not an objective?

Paphitis; that stupid, crazy retard stated that they weren't in contact with Turks regarding the coup and their intentions but yet again he stupidly presumed that Turks were officially aware. Isn't this a retarded statement? How could Turks be officially aware without any contact with Greek Junta? Furthermore if there was really a communist threat detrimental to people of Cyprus; military action should have bilaterally been planned and carried out by all guarantor powers.

Turks waited for 5 days either for a bilateral military action with UK or resigniton of Sampson, return of Makarios and end of the illegal actions of EOKA-B but none accepted by Greek Junta. To the contrary of this they prepared themselves to confront and combat against Turkish intervention forces. In the morning of 20th of July, Turkish intervention forces faced with an unexpected, fierced confrontation of 40.000 Hellenic forces.(NG+Eldyk+Reservists). Turks gave lot of losses in the first 2 days of combat.(Check intervention timeline at hellas.org and read the 400 pages of CIA report - 1973-1976.

[insan]

insan,

The document you posted is Dictator Ioannides' view of Makarios and the situation in Cyprus. Do you understand that or not? It is not the US view of the situation.

It is not an objective historical evidence, just a person's testimony/opinion. Should I repeat that he was a dictator?

The document clearly reveals that the coup was not organized in collaboration of Junta and CIA. It clearly shows that it was the self-decision of Greek Junta and national front of GCs. Crazy retard Ionnides presumes that US leadership would applaud him because he overthrew Makarios and liberate GCs from the so-called communist threat. Here's İonnides own words which clearly reveals that it was his own stupid decision based on his retarded assumptions.

Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots.

Paphitis, claims that Ionnides had respect to sovereignity and non-interference of Cyprus. So why did he back the Sampson Coup to overthrow the elected President of Cyprus, Makarios? Why didn't he respect the decisions of Makarios regarding illegal activities of Greek officers? Ionnides was really a stupid, ridiculous retard.

Furthermore u expected Turks to trust this stupid, ridiculous retard. And his Cypriot extension bloody-fascist Sampson who is a well known anti-Turk fascist.

I agree with you. Paphitis is wrong.

I thought you claimed that this was the position of the US government.

I did not claim that.

I just highlighted the manifesto as evidence that the US and Greek Junta were collaborating against the Makarios Government...

Anyway the latter is true, but I think it was mainly due to Kissinger, a fierce anti-greek, taking advantage of the political situation in the US, with Nixon's resignation, etc. There is evidence in the Nixon's stance in the recorded discussions with the greek junta & later with Karamanlis.

IMO, the turkish invasion would have not been allowed, if there was stability in the US government.

Kissinger was not an anti-Greek and he couldn't be. All presidents of US have to work for the interests of his country. This does not mean they would satisfy Greek demands even if they were detrimental to US interests and the interests of it's other allies. World does not turn around the interests of Hellenes. Most particularly, world does not turn around the retarded presumptions of retarded ultra-nationalist Greek Junta Generals. Greece was a more important ally of US until recently due to interests of Western Alliance over Balkans. The matter was intransigent attitudes of Greek representatives regarding the Turco-Greco disputes. The negative attitude of Greek representatives didn't contribute the interests of western alliance and this situation was mainly annoying US leadership. If u read the 400 pages of CIA report regarding the official relations(1973-1976) of USG-GOG besides other related documents between the years 1963-1973 u will be able to better understand what's reall going on.