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[DT.]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

You are the worst kind of fanatic. How can talat move away from anything when he is the one proposing

- Turkish say on the alliances Cyprus enters into
- Turkish guarantee with sole right of Intervention over entire island
- Turkish army presence on the island
- Turkish ethnically clean majority north state
- Turkish say on Cyprus's continental shelf
many more......

With all this which he is willing to gift Turkey with, where exactly is he acting for Cyprus's interests?

Cut the crap people with this whole bullshit regarding Greece and Turkey. There's one idiot on the table trying to instill as much democracy and fairness onto a solution and with no Greek interests in mind (name me 1)...and you've got another idiot who is carrying out Turkey's shopping list and portraying himself as something more than a local pasha.

Turkey is running the show on the other side of the talks and you people are pre-occupied with a country whose last act in Cyprus was blackmailing the EU for our entry.

[Simon]

DT wrote:

[quote]Cut the crap people with this whole bullshit regarding Greece and Turkey. There's one idiot on the table trying to instill as much democracy and fairness onto a solution and with no Greek interests in mind (name me 1)...and you've got another idiot who is carrying out Turkey's shopping list and portraying himself as something more than a local pasha.

Turkey is running the show on the other side of the talks and you people are pre-occupied with a country whose last act in Cyprus was blackmailing the EU for our entry.[/quote]


Absolutely spot on DT. Sometimes I really wonder about some GCs on this forum.

[YFred]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

You are the worst kind of fanatic. How can talat move away from anything when he is the one proposing

- Turkish say on the alliances Cyprus enters into
- Turkish guarantee with sole right of Intervention over entire island
- Turkish army presence on the island
- Turkish ethnically clean majority north state
- Turkish say on Cyprus's continental shelf
many more......

With all this which he is willing to gift Turkey with, where exactly is he acting for Cyprus's interests?

Cut the crap people with this whole bullshit regarding Greece and Turkey. There's one idiot on the table trying to instill as much democracy and fairness onto a solution and with no Greek interests in mind (name me 1)...and you've got another idiot who is carrying out Turkey's shopping list and portraying himself as something more than a local pasha.

Turkey is running the show on the other side of the talks and you people are pre-occupied with a country whose last act in Cyprus was blackmailing the EU for our entry.

DT,

How can the TCs have no say in what alliances Cyprus makes if they are part of the RoC after the settlement.

When will you understand that TCs will not trust EU or UN for protection from GCs. Turkey will always guaranty the TC unless TCs say otherwise.

Turkish Army presence is not required after the agreement. Talat will give you that one. The whole of Cyprus should be demilitarised. No Soldiers.

Turkish ethnically clean majority in the north? What kind of crap is this, is your politics degree from the Greek Orthodox Church by any chance? TCs will run their constituent state in the north the same way as the GC will in the south. What kind of state will it be in the north if the majority was GC. What are you on crack? You should want maximum number without swamping the north to guarantee the unity of Cyprus.

You make me laugh about the oil, if it exists. You are willing to negotiate with Egypt 160 miles away, Israel however far she is and Lebanon the same, but ignore and give no thought to negotiating with Turkey only 40 miles away. Sooner or later you will learn how politics works. Otherwise it will be same as Greece, no deal no oil.

Take your pick.

[kurupetos]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

You are the worst kind of fanatic. How can talat move away from anything when he is the one proposing

- Turkish say on the alliances Cyprus enters into
- Turkish guarantee with sole right of Intervention over entire island
- Turkish army presence on the island
- Turkish ethnically clean majority north state
- Turkish say on Cyprus's continental shelf
many more......

With all this which he is willing to gift Turkey with, where exactly is he acting for Cyprus's interests?

Cut the crap people with this whole bullshit regarding Greece and Turkey. There's one idiot on the table trying to instill as much democracy and fairness onto a solution and with no Greek interests in mind (name me 1)...and you've got another idiot who is carrying out Turkey's shopping list and portraying himself as something more than a local pasha.

Turkey is running the show on the other side of the talks and you people are pre-occupied with a country whose last act in Cyprus was blackmailing the EU for our entry.

You make me laugh about the oil, if it exists. You are willing to negotiate with Egypt 160 miles away, Israel however far she is and Lebanon the same, but ignore and give no thought to negotiating with Turkey only 40 miles away. Sooner or later you will learn how politics works. Otherwise it will be same as Greece, no deal no oil.

Take your pick.

The area under negotiation for oil extraction does not concern Turkey. I dare you to prove otherwise.

[DT.]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

You are the worst kind of fanatic. How can talat move away from anything when he is the one proposing

- Turkish say on the alliances Cyprus enters into
- Turkish guarantee with sole right of Intervention over entire island
- Turkish army presence on the island
- Turkish ethnically clean majority north state
- Turkish say on Cyprus's continental shelf
many more......

With all this which he is willing to gift Turkey with, where exactly is he acting for Cyprus's interests?

Cut the crap people with this whole bullshit regarding Greece and Turkey. There's one idiot on the table trying to instill as much democracy and fairness onto a solution and with no Greek interests in mind (name me 1)...and you've got another idiot who is carrying out Turkey's shopping list and portraying himself as something more than a local pasha.

Turkey is running the show on the other side of the talks and you people are pre-occupied with a country whose last act in Cyprus was blackmailing the EU for our entry.

DT,

How can the TCs have no say in what alliances Cyprus makes if they are part of the RoC after the settlement.

When will you understand that TCs will not trust EU or UN for protection from GCs. Turkey will always guaranty the TC unless TCs say otherwise.

Turkish Army presence is not required after the agreement. Talat will give you that one. The whole of Cyprus should be demilitarised. No Soldiers.

Turkish ethnically clean majority in the north? What kind of crap is this, is your politics degree from the Greek Orthodox Church by any chance? TCs will run their constituent state in the north the same way as the GC will in the south. What kind of state will it be in the north if the majority was GC. What are you on crack? You should want maximum number without swamping the north to guarantee the unity of Cyprus.

You make me laugh about the oil, if it exists. You are willing to negotiate with Egypt 160 miles away, Israel however far she is and Lebanon the same, but ignore and give no thought to negotiating with Turkey only 40 miles away. Sooner or later you will learn how politics works. Otherwise it will be same as Greece, no deal no oil.

Take your pick.

How can the TCs have no say in what alliances Cyprus makes if they are part of the RoC after the settlement.

TC's yes via their participation in the govt of Cyprus..NOT TURKEY

When will you understand that TCs will not trust EU or UN for protection from GCs. Turkey will always guaranty the TC unless TCs say otherwise.

You can request for eskimoes to guarantee you for all I care....no foreign state will have a hand in my country though.

Turkish ethnically clean majority in the north? What kind of crap is this, is your politics degree from the Greek Orthodox Church by any chance? TCs will run their constituent state in the north the same way as the GC will in the south. What kind of state will it be in the north if the majority was GC. What are you on crack? You should want maximum number without swamping the north to guarantee the unity of Cyprus.

a north and south state with freedom to vote and live for everyone. If you can't hold a natural majority in a regio then you should consider holding 10% of the land and squeeze your lot in.

[The Cypriot]

The Cypriot,

Your comparison with Britain is tenuous to say the least. The history of the anglo-saxons in Britain and the Greeks in Cyprus is completely different.

Hardly tenuous. There are certainly parallels, though I concede there are differences too.

There are different influences in Cyprus of course, the overwhelming one being Greek.

That may be true, or rather than Greek we could call it a mix of Arcadian, Mycenean, Macedonian, Roman, Byzantine and junta.

The Greek Cypriots must unite to eject Turkey out of Cyprus.

All Cypriots must unite to do so. Acting alone won't be enough.

All this in fighting just proves how stupid we actually are.

Spot on.

Do you hear any equivalent from the Turkish Cypriots?

Should we stop aiming for what is right because some have yet to see the light? The whole world seems to have figured out that only a solution BY Cypriots, FOR Cypriots can ever work. My guess is most in the north have figured it out too, though fear of Turkey's military (on the one hand), and rabid, vengeful nationalist in the south (on the other), inhibits their thinking and has put them between a rock and a hard place. How would you feel if you were in this position?

Greek Cypriots want to tell their closest ally and friend that they are a "nuisance",

Where our strategic interests overlap Greece is our ally and friend - where they differ, Greece is not. Greece is a European partner. We should be grateful for that and the invaluable role she played (and indeed Britain through Robin Cook, God rest his soul) in securing this. Greece is our big sister, not our mother.

whilst Turkish Cypriots worship their closest friend everyday. We wonder why we have come off second best so far...

I'm not sure this is the case. Sure a few rabid mirror-images of our unreconstructed nationalists do, but I expect the majority would rather get on with their lives, in peace and prosperity, and with Turkey's army out of the picture.

Do all of you really think that if we self-declared our "Cypriotness" and removed any traces of Greek from our island (which itself is an oxymoron)

Who said we should do that? No traces of the island's rich and unique heritage should be removed. Turkey's military is doing that in the north. And that's anathema to ALL Cypriots.

Turkey will relinquish its control on a strategically important area? Do you really think Turkey invaded just because of the junta's coup? If so, Turkey has not only invaded our lands, it has invaded and raped your minds. You are thinking exactly how it wants you to. Naive to say the least.

Concluding people who take a different world view to you are naive, is... (how can I put this without sounding patronising myself)... naive. And it's no way to win an argument.

If through peaceful means, we Cypriots, acting collectively, intelligently and strategically, are unable to repel the invader, then alternative means will have to be found. I'm certain there are Cypriots in the north who would resort to this if their honest and just quest for freedom goes unrealised. And I'm certain there are Cypriots in the south who would support them.

But this action cannot be contemplated before we've exhausted peaceful means. Until then, the rest of the world, including Greece, won't support us. And we'd lose.

[miltiades]

Spot on !!

[Get Real!]

“I’m a GC who insists that the whole of Cyprus is Greek!”

Why do Greeks like Alexis, Simon, Nikiforos, Yialoussa, etc, LIE by declaring themselves as “Greek Cypriot” ???

Are they ashamed of their “Hellenism” or do they assume that just because they married Cypriot ladies they’ve automatically become Cypriots?

Perhaps they think that by pretending to be "Cypriots" they'll give the impression that Greece is loved here?

How disgraceful!

[Get Real!]

There is not a single TC here who has so far voted that supports the sovereignty of Cyprus. I can see how that would upset you GR. Your anger at the poll results should not be directed at me. Get a clue already.

It was your poll, your the one who created...do you now see the reality?

What on earth are you on about? Are you by any chance confessing that you voted based on what the TCs voted in vengeance?

[Get Real!]

Get Real!, what determines what is a "catastrophic mindset"?

Any DEVIATION from 100% allegiance to one’s country is a catastrophic mindset.

So if Cyprus was part of Turkey against the will of the Cypriot people, would your allegiance be with Turkey?

Is that by any chance based on the assumption that Cyprus is part of Greece?

The country should represent the population in a democratic way and the population should be free to decide what they want to do with their own country.

Cyprus has been a UN recognized sovereign country since 1960 and as such it is everyone’s RESPONSIBILITY who enters here to RESPECT that or LEAVE.

The “democratic right” you’re referring to is granted to you by the sovereign country itself, and becomes INVALID if it is abused by using it against it! (TREASON) So the answer is NO, it’s NOT up to the people to decide if Cyprus is sovereign or whether it should be aligned with someone else!