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[YFred]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

Thanks YFred.... I suppose we need to appreciate why those prejudices and fears exist, on both sides; acknowledge that they are both valid and do all we can to eliminate them. As for Talat, I follow the news on Cyprus with some interest and that isn't the impression I am getting unfortunately. I'm pretty sure it's what he'd like to do but powerful overseas elements, ultimately in control in the north, clearly object strongly and tie his hands.

I have been mixing in the ground with Talat suporters for a very long time. He and the rest of CTP spent years with their hands tied behind their backs politically speaking and never sold their soul to anybody, and they are not likely to do it now. Talat would walk away rather than allow any one to dictate what he will negotiate. Sure he will consult with Turkey but I believe that Turkey has come to his way of thinking rather than the other way round. Christofias has to untie his hands that Eoka has shackled him with and a solution can be achieved with most Cypriots can be happy with. We have no chance of satisfying everyone unfortunately.

[Sotos]

Talat would walk away rather than allow any one to dictate what he will negotiate.

Talat is a Muppet like everybody else who participates in the Muppet Show that Turkey is running in the occupied areas.

[kurupetos]

I whole heartedly agree with you sentiments The Cypriot, now how do we move forward with all the prejudices and fears we have pent up since 1963? Isn't that what Talat is trying to do?

Thanks YFred.... I suppose we need to appreciate why those prejudices and fears exist, on both sides; acknowledge that they are both valid and do all we can to eliminate them. As for Talat, I follow the news on Cyprus with some interest and that isn't the impression I am getting unfortunately. I'm pretty sure it's what he'd like to do but powerful overseas elements, ultimately in control in the north, clearly object strongly and tie his hands.

I have been mixing in the ground with Talat suporters for a very long time. He and the rest of CTP spent years with their hands tied behind their backs politically speaking and never sold their soul to anybody, and they are not likely to do it now. Talat would walk away rather than allow any one to dictate what he will negotiate. Sure he will consult with Turkey but I believe that Turkey has come to his way of thinking rather than the other way round. Christofias has to untie his hands that Eoka has shackled him with and a solution can be achieved with most Cypriots can be happy with. We have no chance of satisfying everyone unfortunately.

Who is We and who is everyone?

[The Cypriot]

I believe that Turkey has come to his way of thinking rather than the other way round.

I hope you're right... and the "Turkey" you refer to can hold sway.

Christofias has to untie his hands that Eoka has shackled him with and a solution can be achieved with most Cypriots can be happy with.

If anyone can Christofias can.

We have no chance of satisfying everyone unfortunately.

On the Christofias side of the divide even the nationalists are proud proponents of democracy; it having been invented by the ancients, after all.

[Piratis]

Get Real!, what determines what is a "catastrophic mindset"?

Any DEVIATION from 100% allegiance to one’s country is a catastrophic mindset.

So if Cyprus was part of Turkey against the will of the Cypriot people, would your allegiance be with Turkey?

The country should represent the population in a democratic way and the population should be free to decide what they want to do with their own country.

[The Cypriot]

I am Cypriot and Cypriot means Greek unless you belong to an ethnic minority.

In Britain if an indigenous Brit said.... "I am British and British means Anglo-Saxon." I'd laugh at him for being a sad little Englander. I'd tell him to look around, to see all the Celt, Viking and Norman influences on his indigenous culture as well as on his genetic make-up. I'd take him out for a curry, Britain's favourite dish, and explain to him the valuable and enriching contribution British-Asians, British-Africans, British-Carribeans and especially British Cypriots (as I am one) had made to his cold, godforsaken country.

I'd show him my passport and my birth certificate and I'd explain to him that I have as much right to consider myself British as he does. I'd tell him to get over himself.

These minorities came long after us on our island and if they didn't like us for who we are then they shouldn't have come!

If a Brit said this to me I'd say, it's not your perceived, mythological Anglo-Saxon roots I object to, just your attitude to minorities. In fact, I'd point out that this attitude actually put him in the minority, and embarrassed the majority of Brits.

We are not going to change who we are to satisfy any Turkish invaders.

Don't you see, Soto? You have allowed the Turkish invaders to change who you are. You haven't remained true to the deep wisdom inherited from the ancients. You've allowed hatred and bitterness to consume you and to cloud your judgement. I fully understand why, but it's not going to get you what you want.

[miltiades]

I am a Cypriot, no prefix required, because when my parents emigrated the only dividing line was natural, went around the whole island and was turquoise-blue rather than green.

I am a Cypriot who denounces the two misguided, divisive and ultimately disastrous opposing nationalisms in Cyprus, nurtured and exploited by foreign powers for their own nefarious ends.

I am a Cypriot who denounces the neglect and rejection (or gifting to others) of the island's rich and distinct cultural elements; elements that ultimately bind all its people together.

I am a Cypriot who denounces the constant focus on overseas influences, going back centuries if not millennia, which however historically valid, serve only to drive Cypriots apart, perpetuate division, and give overseas powers the excuse they've always used to control the island's destiny.

I am a Cypriot who is sad for – while understanding fully why – some Cypriots choose to focus on and be preoccupied by a mythological sense of self, when their strategically located island has been forever dominated by foreign powers.

I am reminded of football fanatics, living their lives vicariously through the glories of a chosen team, and whose sense of self is given extra meaning by hatred for the teams bitter rivals. Fanatics whose lives – otherwise characterised by struggle and lack of control – are given meaning.

I am a Cypriot who can see the benefit of looking to each other, Europe and the world.

And so is Miltiades along with Birkibrisly , Kikapu , Ahmet , GR !!!! , Deniz
Vuryek , xxNilxx , Irakles and many more true Cypriots who do not have a great big chip on their shoulders and are proud of their natural motherland the beautiful Sweet Sunny Cyprus !!!

Haven't had a cold as bad as the one I got in Cyprus a couple of weeks ago , serves me right in going to Curium Beach in shorts wearing a flimsy T/Shirt and insisting that I have my wine in Alfresco when everyone else sat inside !! I forgot Im pushing 63 and not as ...virile as I once might have been !
Oh well it kept me off the forum for a bit !!

[paliometoxo]

5????????????/ e oi!!... barac is talking to some guy from greece about the cy problem... all these talks are doing no good to turkey or greece

[Simon]

The Cypriot,

Your comparison with Britain is tenuous to say the least. The history of the anglo-saxons in Britain and the Greeks in Cyprus is completely different. There are different influences in Cyprus of course, the overwhelming one being Greek. The Greek Cypriots must unite to eject Turkey out of Cyprus. All this in fighting just proves how stupid we actually are. Do you hear any equivalent from the Turkish Cypriots? No, of course not. Greek Cypriots want to tell their closest ally and friend that they are a "nuisance", whilst Turkish Cypriots worship their closest friend everyday. We wonder why we have come off second best so far...

Do all of you really think that if we self-declared our "Cypriotness" and removed any traces of Greek from our island (which itself is an oxymoron) Turkey will relinquish its control on a strategically important area? Do you really think Turkey invaded just because of the junta's coup? If so, Turkey has not only invaded our lands, it has invaded and raped your minds. You are thinking exactly how it wants you to. Naive to say the least.

[Sotos]

The Celts, Vikings etc were there long before the Anglo-Saxons. So wrong comparison. And about the new minorities the British had an empire and many of those people citizens of this empire and thats how they got there. Many of them they brought them there themselves as slaves! So wrong comparison.

In fact, I'd point out that this attitude actually put him in the minority, and embarrassed the majority of Brits.

And I point out to you that Cypriots are Greek and your attitude puts you in the minority and embarrasses the Cypriot people. Cyprus is not part of Greece for one and only reason. The Turks and British didn't allow to us our freedom. But they are not going to get it their way. We will not stop being Greek just because the invaders want to.