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[denizaksulu]

Therefore, at best his posts are pure propaganda, at worst, spam. This is why I and others do not take him seriously anymore. He is simply the forum clown.

Now as far as intention is concerned: we have a thread starting with a poll that does not include any question beginning with "I am a Cypriot and ..." - rather strange from someone who vehemently regards himself as "Cypriot" (or so he claims).

Quite true. It is something that I also noticed. I also noticed that he praised people for choosing option 1, which begins with "I am a Greek Cypriot..." I have a feeling that deep down GR also feels Greek. He just wants to punish Greece for its junta in 1974. He needs to understand that Greece has changed enormously since then and has helped and supported Cyprus ever since. The junta was not the elected Greek representative. The RoC is in the EU largely thanks to Greece. He needs to move on and help maximise the positive impact generated from our closest ally, not tell her she is a "nuisance".

GR is as patriotic as it comes. He is a true Cypriot, and any of you who doubt this do not know him. Yes, perhaps he has a grudge against Greece's failiure to to more for Cyprus in 1974, but can one not express their feelings on the matter. You say Greece is doing something now, but a bit too too late isnt it?

[paliometoxo]

turkey was nevr doing anythign and they still continue to do nothing but cause trouble in cyprus and keep the island devided by force

[The Cypriot]

What I want is for the Cypriot people to be allowed to freely and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, always with respect to human rights of every individual, and without any foreigners telling us what we can and what we can't do.

How about you? Are you willing to accept for Cyprus what Cypriots democratically choose? Or if you disagreed with the majority of Cypriots you would side with foreigners to overwrite the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people?

I don't suppose there will ever be another plebiscite on enosis, Pirati. Now that Cyprus is in the EU, unity has been acheived with all the western colonists of Cyprus, including the dreaded Brits, the Romans, the Venetians, the Franks and all the different types of ancient Greeks we're all so fond of.

In time, God willing, using peaceful means and with due care and dilligence on our part, the rest of the island we both love will be united with us, with Greece, and the rest of the European family, a family founded on the democratic ideals and a belief in fundamental freedoms of which we are both proud proponents.

If not, of course, we and all Cypriot freedom lovers must reserve the right to reconsider our position.

But if there was a plebiscite on enosis with just Greece, (and unlike the last one, it was held in accordance with modern democratic norms, ie. as a secret ballot) and I could participate then I would vote 'No' as I don't believe it would be in the Cypriot people's best interests, taken as a whole, in 2009 to be subsumed by modern Greece and to give up its individual seat at the EU and the UN table.

However, if the majority of Cypriots, having been given all the facts, and allowed to debate the pros and cons in an open, constructive and democratic way, without intimidation or accusations of treachery, voted 'yes' then of course I would respect their democratic will.

And I apologise for losing my rag with you a little and for putting words in your mouth in my last post. It was uncalled for and was a result of what I felt was your questioning of my loyalty to my parents' homeland.

[The Cypriot]

Half-hearted Greeks? I think you've just lost the argument Neo-Cypriot.

I was just highlighting your contradiction.

Neo-Cypriot? Do me a favour... I've been a Cypriot all my life; my parents were Cypriots and their parents too. Go back a further generation and who knows? And the same goes for most Cypriots - whichever prefix they choose now to attach to themselves, following the 1960 constitution imposed on us by foreigners.

"Neo-Greek" might be a better description for you. As the mythology you espouse about yourself was learnt: at school; at church; at youth club; and/or from home... from parents and family members who similarly learnt it. But you certainly weren't born with the notion about yourself.

BTW, I know "neo-Cypriot" is a derogatory term used to label Cypriots who are happy to face the world without a prefix but be careful when using it to describe named individuals in print. I have taken legal advice and the term is potentially libellous, as it suggests other terms like "Neo-Nazi" and "Neo-Fascist" and the political extremism they imply.

If you want to add a prefix, and do so safely, I suggest you add the following: "Proud".

[kurupetos]

Half-hearted Greeks? I think you've just lost the argument Neo-Cypriot.

I was just highlighting your contradiction.

Neo-Cypriot? Do me a favour... I've been a Cypriot all my life; my parents were Cypriots and their parents too. Go back a further generation and who knows? And the same goes for most Cypriots - whichever prefix they choose now to attach to themselves, following the 1960 constitution imposed on us by foreigners.

"Neo-Greek" might be a better description for you. As the mythology you espouse about yourself was learnt: at school; at church; at youth club; and/or from home... from parents and family members who similarly learnt it. But you certainly weren't born with the notion about yourself.

BTW, I know "neo-Cypriot" is a derogatory term used to label Cypriots who are happy to face the world without a prefix but be careful when using it to describe named individuals in print. I have taken legal advice and the term is potentially libellous, as it suggests other terms like "Neo-Nazi" and "Neo-Fascist" and the political extremism they imply.

If you want to add a prefix, and do so safely, I suggest you add the following: "Proud".

It doesn't matter how you feel. Greek or Greek Cypriot or just Cypriot

What we need in Cyprus is justice! Move your discussion towards that direction.

[bill cobbett]

Half-hearted Greeks? I think you've just lost the argument Neo-Cypriot.

I was just highlighting your contradiction.

Neo-Cypriot? Do me a favour... I've been a Cypriot all my life; my parents were Cypriots and their parents too. Go back a further generation and who knows? And the same goes for most Cypriots - whichever prefix they choose now to attach to themselves, following the 1960 constitution imposed on us by foreigners.

"Neo-Greek" might be a better description for you. As the mythology you espouse about yourself was learnt: at school; at church; at youth club; and/or from home... from parents and family members who similarly learnt it. But you certainly weren't born with the notion about yourself.

BTW, I know "neo-Cypriot" is a derogatory term used to label Cypriots who are happy to face the world without a prefix but be careful when using it to describe named individuals in print. I have taken legal advice and the term is potentially libellous, as it suggests other terms like "Neo-Nazi" and "Neo-Fascist" and the political extremism they imply.

If you want to add a prefix, and do so safely, I suggest you add the following: "Proud".

It doesn't matter how you feel. Greek or Greek Cypriot or just Cypriot

What we need in Cyprus is justice! Move your discussion towards that direction.

Definitely. What's needed is a bit of unity; something that's been sadly lacking here over the past few days.

[The Cypriot]

Well said, kurupetos! In my view (regardless of how we may feel about ourselves inside) the only way to secure justice for Cyprus is for its long-suffering people to work together - across the artificial dividing line imposed on us by foreigners - and demand it with one voice.

Human rights are indivisible, there can be no hierarchy of fundamental freedoms and taking sides has achieved and will continue to achieve nothing. There can only be one side for Cyprus: the Cypriot side. It's so obvious even a proud donkey like me, born in captivity and living in exile in the land of the evil Imperialists, has managed to figure it out.

[RichardB]

denizaksulu wrote

GR is as patriotic as it comes. He is a true Cypriot, and any of you who doubt this do not know him. Yes, perhaps he has a grudge against Greece's failiure to to more for Cyprus in 1974, but can one not express their feelings on the matter. You say Greece is doing something now, but a bit too too late isnt it?

Bravo Deniz

I too wanted to write something along these lines

But I was unsure whether GR would appreciate it (coming from a Brit)

No matter whether or not you agree with GRs sentiments and posts I don't think anyone should be in any doubt that he is indeed a true Cypriot

[Viewpoint]

Well said, kurupetos! In my view (regardless of how we may feel about ourselves inside) the only way to secure justice for Cyprus is for its long-suffering people to work together - across the artificial dividing line imposed on us by foreigners - and demand it with one voice.

Human rights are indivisible, there can be no hierarchy of fundamental freedoms and taking sides has achieved and will continue to achieve nothing. There can only be one side for Cyprus: the Cypriot side. It's so obvious even a proud donkey like me, born in captivity and living in exile in the land of the evil Imperialists, has managed to figure it out.

You are living in wonderland the 2 main communities have been divided for 35 years and have no inclinaiton or demand to live and work together as you put it. The "Cypriot" people dont exists and any promotion of this underdeveloped notion will only be seen as camaflouge to allow GCs to use their numerical advantage to take control of the whole of Cyprus and dominate reducing TCs to a minority in their own country.

[bill cobbett]

Well said, kurupetos! In my view (regardless of how we may feel about ourselves inside) the only way to secure justice for Cyprus is for its long-suffering people to work together - across the artificial dividing line imposed on us by foreigners - and demand it with one voice.

Human rights are indivisible, there can be no hierarchy of fundamental freedoms and taking sides has achieved and will continue to achieve nothing. There can only be one side for Cyprus: the Cypriot side. It's so obvious even a proud donkey like me, born in captivity and living in exile in the land of the evil Imperialists, has managed to figure it out.

You are living in wonderland the 2 main communities have been divided for 35 years and have no inclinaiton or demand to live and work together as you put it. The "Cypriot" people dont exists and any promotion of this underdeveloped notion will only be seen as camaflouge to allow GCs to use their numerical advantage to take control of the whole of Cyprus and dominate reducing TCs to a minority in their own country.

Get a life mate/matess.