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[growuptcs]

I think everyone should just stick to their careers and keep working or find work to keep the mind occupied, or else they'll fall victim to Turkeys psychological warfare.

I think it may be too late for GR.

Its never too late unless a GC lives under Turkish rule.

[Simon]

I think everyone should just stick to their careers and keep working or find work to keep the mind occupied, or else they'll fall victim to Turkeys psychological warfare.

I think it may be too late for GR.

Its never too late unless a GC lives under Turkish rule.

He does, he lives under Turkish rule mentally.

[growuptcs]

I think everyone should just stick to their careers and keep working or find work to keep the mind occupied, or else they'll fall victim to Turkeys psychological warfare.

I think it may be too late for GR.

Its never too late unless a GC lives under Turkish rule.

He does, he lives under Turkish rule mentally.

I will always excuse him because my father did as well without being vocal. The only difference is, is that GetReal may have a chance to see Cyprus liberated in his lifetime where my father didn't get that chance.

[Hatter]

Therefore, at best his posts are pure propaganda, at worst, spam. This is why I and others do not take him seriously anymore. He is simply the forum clown.

Spam in this case does not exclude propaganda in terms of the resultant effect, i.e. even if te intention was not propaganda, the net effect is propaganda. Sometimes insight can be gained by asking "who gains ?".

Now as far as intention is concerned: we have a thread starting with a poll that does not include any question beginning with "I am a Cypriot and ..." - rather strange from someone who vehemently regards himself as "Cypriot" (or so he claims). And the "poll" is used to facilitate the arbitrary conclusion that greek nationalism is the root of all evil in Cyprus and all that is needed is for said nationalism to be denounced and hey presto, problem solved. Adding to the above the persistent regurgitation of FYROM propaganda from the same individual, one can see which of the possible interpretations is most likely to be true.

[Simon]

Therefore, at best his posts are pure propaganda, at worst, spam. This is why I and others do not take him seriously anymore. He is simply the forum clown.

Now as far as intention is concerned: we have a thread starting with a poll that does not include any question beginning with "I am a Cypriot and ..." - rather strange from someone who vehemently regards himself as "Cypriot" (or so he claims).

Quite true. It is something that I also noticed. I also noticed that he praised people for choosing option 1, which begins with "I am a Greek Cypriot..." I have a feeling that deep down GR also feels Greek. He just wants to punish Greece for its junta in 1974. He needs to understand that Greece has changed enormously since then and has helped and supported Cyprus ever since. The junta was not the elected Greek representative. The RoC is in the EU largely thanks to Greece. He needs to move on and help maximise the positive impact generated from our closest ally, not tell her she is a "nuisance".

[Piratis]

I would prefer to have my whole island, like Cretans do, rather than a seat in EU. Besides, Greece gets 24MEPs, so Cypriots could still very easily be elected in this position.

So you admit you want enosis.

What I want is for the Cypriot people to be allowed to freely and democratically decide the destiny of their own island, always with respect to human rights of every individual, and without any foreigners telling us what we can and what we can't do.

How about you? Are you willing to accept for Cyprus what Cypriots democratically choose? Or if you disagreed with the majority of Cypriots you would side with foreigners to overwrite the democratically expressed will of the Cypriot people?

What I want for Cypriots is to be allowed to decide democratically whatever they want for their own island. If the majority of Cypriots still want to unite Cyprus with Greece, would you side with the foreign imperialists in order to deny to Cypriots their rights?

Would you side with treacherous extremist Greek nationalists to depose the president if the majority of Cypriots want independence but you want to impose union with Greece?

Are you reading what I write the "The Cypriot"? Or you prefer to put words in mouth because you are not able to defeat what I actually say?

I never supported the Junta, and never supported imposing anything on the Cypriot people. I repeat: What I support is full self-determination for the Cypriot people so they can freely and democratically decide what they want for their own island.

What about you? If the majority of Cypriots wanted union with Greece, would you side with the Turks and the British in order to deny to the Cypriot people their right?

And do you excuse the imperialists for denying this right to us before the establishment of the RoC?

Do you excuse the Junta for what they did in 1974?

No I don't excuse the junta.

Now answer my question and stop trying to avoid it. Do you excuse the Imperialists for denying to us our self-determination and force us to accept the 1960 "agreements"?

The Imperialists could deny to Cypriots their right to unite with Greece, but no, they can not deny to us to be Greeks.

Us? Who is us? EOKA B or EOKA C?

"Us", in this case refers to the vast majority of the Cypriot people.

Cretans and Rhodians are very glad to be secure in the Greek State, and they wouldn't change this for any pseudo independence.

Well go and move there where you'll be safe, Pirati. But don't tell them you supported the Junta and what they did to Cyprus, 'cos the Cretans would slice your bollocks off.

Cyprus is my island and I am going nowhere. It is you (or your parents) who choose to leave from Cyprus, not me.
I never supported the Junta, and again you put words in my mouth because you are not able to argue otherwise.

I am more Cypriot than you will ever be,

You don't know the meaning of the word.

I know it much better than you do. You didn't even live most of your life in Cyprus.

Not some "Cypriot" identity that was imposed on us by foreigners less than 50 years ago. So don't lecture me on this.

Lecture you? You're beyond redemption.

Your inability to argue with me is obvious.

It is the Turks and the British who started the propaganda that supposedly Cypriots are not Greeks, to use this as an excuse for denying to Cypriots their right to unite their island with Greece.

Go live on Crete. It's united with Greece. You'll be safe there.

I am not going anywhere. But if Cyprus was part of Greece then be sure far less Cypriots would be forced to emigrate.

If we now accept their lame allegations we would be justifying the actions they took to oppress the Cypriot revolution and deny to the Cypriot people their self-determination.

What is this? 1955? 1974? Or 2009?

History is a chain of events. If you excuse the Turks and the British for what they did in the 50s against us then you will make it much easier for them to excuse their occupation today.

Compare Cyprus with Crete and tell me who has more control over their own islands. Us or the Cretans?

Pirati, we can't turn the clock back to 1955, kill all the Britsh, throw the Muslims into the sea and turn Cyprus into Crete. Stop living in the past and focus on the future.

What was true in the 50s or in 1821 continues to be true today: Cypriots want their freedom and self-determination. I hope we can achieve this in a peaceful way without anybody getting hurt, but if this does not happen then we reserve the right to revolt as many times as it is needed until we are free. The rest of Greece was under the Ottomans for 400 years and they didn't give up their identity and their right to struggle for freedom. Why should we?

You keep talking about EU, and you forget that without Greece Cyprus would never enter the EU. Do you think they blackmailed the whole EU telling them that without Cyprus there would be no EU expansion because they like our food?

No, because of guilt, Pirati. To undo the wrongs of 1974.

And why would the Greeks have any guild but not the Turks or the British?

If the Greeks do feel guild that some undemocratic regime (which oppressed them as well) helped the Turkish plans in Cyprus, then this shows than the Greeks are the ones who care more than any other for Cyprus.

With your "just Cypriot" policy, not only we can not change the attitude of Turkey or the TC minority, but the only thing we can achieve is make Greece not feel responsible for Cyprus at all, alienate the rest of Greeks, and be isolated.

[Piratis]

A question to Get Real!:

What do you believe will happen if all Greek Cypriots denounce their Greekness:

1) Turkey will stop having any geopolitical interests in Cyprus
2) The Turkish Cypriots will denounce all the gains offered to them by Turkey on our expense.

Try to think logically about it for a while, and I expect some logical answers, not just unrealistic dreams.

[Simon]

A question to Get Real!:

What do you believe will happen if all Greek Cypriots denounce their Greekness:

1) Turkey will stop having any geopolitical interests in Cyprus
2) The Turkish Cypriots will denounce all the gains offered to them by Turkey on our expense.

Try to think logically about it for a while, and I expect some logical answers, not just unrealistic dreams.

Don't hold your hopes too high with Get Real! I'm afraid you may be disappointed.

[alexISS]

The idiot has left tons of questions unanswered, his Choirokitian theory is full of holes he can neither fill nor hide so each time he is exposed he conveniently moves on to another thread

[alexISS]

This stupid poll is nothing but proof of the above