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Where have you been since Jan 2006 ?

Probably working for the Cyprus Mail? Sounds like this guy:

http://www.cyprus-mail.com/news/main.ph ... 9&cat_id=1

Take a look how clueless some people from the Cyprus Mail are....and i am starting to see a pattern here from you silly British Cyps.

The author states:

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They should have made the English language obligatory for everyone from 1878;

What a clueless twit. Why would you impose this on the local population? Here is why:

I was born in London of Greek Cypriot parents and returned to live in Cyprus five years ago.

You havent a clue about Cyprus. Go back, just go back.

Some of you (not all) British Cypriots keep screaming about uniqueness and in the same breathe have the audacity to drivel on about recreating Cyprus in Britain's image.

Now here, on the other hand, is a wonderful article that explains a lot about why some Brits think the way they do on Cyprus:

The nature of those involved with the Friends of Cyprus is revealed if we consider the career of Stephen Twigg, formerly Labour MP for Enfield, a marginal constituency in North London with a large Greek Cypriot population. As an MP, Twigg was an outspoken supporter
 of Cyprus; but when he lost his seat in 2005 he became director of the Foreign Policy Centre, a Blairite think tank, whose most high-profile intervention so far has been its ‘Turkey belongs in Europe’ campaign, which strongly advocates Turkey’s membership of the EU. Indeed, when the FPC launched its Turkey in Europe pamphlet last year, Twigg did the rounds of TV news studios and so on strongly promoting Turkey and its EU bid. From supporter of Cyprus to cheerleader for Turkey. So much for the Friends of Cyprus.

2. Since landing on Cyprus in 1878, the British strategy has been to dehellenise the island in order to control it better. The English wanted to create another Malta and a population that looked towards London, not Athens. Britain’s aim during the colonial period was to foster among Cypriots (though not the Muslim minority, who were encouraged to feel Turkish) an exclusively Cypriot identity stripped of its Hellenic essence and to persuade Cypriots ‘of the moral and material benefits of the Commonwealth connection’ and contrast this to the political and economic disadvantages of union with Greece.

To retain its influence and interests in Cyprus, the British continue to support the dehellenisation of the island. 


3. Allies, whether they like it or not, of British dehellenisation of Cyprus are the Cypriot communists, who've always believed that the Cyprus problem is one of alien and externally-imposed nationalisms and that a peaceful Cyprus is one in which Greek and Turkish Cypriots reject the identities and influence from their mother countries in order to construct a common Cypriot identity.

Communists in Cyprus would remove anything symbolising Greece from the island – national flag, anthem, holidays – and construct a history of the island that stresses the common struggles of the Greek and Turkish Cypriots – such as the resistance of peasants to high taxation under the Ottomans. The communists believe the Cypriot dialect is a national language in its own right, separate to Greek; and that even if Cypriots do share certain cultural characteristics with Helladic Greeks, this is no more significant than the shared cultural characteristics between Britons and Australians. 



Browse for the full article here....
http://hellenicantidote.blogspot.com/

[bill cobbett]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.

All Bills would need to pass through the Senate and have an overwhelming majority. If each community has equal representation, then you are effectively guaranteeing that any Bills that could be deemed to disadvantage any minority groups will not pass.

Well really! This is one Bill that's not passing through any 12% minority community = 50% Senate pollocks cos the result will be that some of our northern friends may use this as a bar to effective central government a la 1963.

Perhaps we should learn from past mistakes.

[Paphitis]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.

All Bills would need to pass through the Senate and have an overwhelming majority. If each community has equal representation, then you are effectively guaranteeing that any Bills that could be deemed to disadvantage any minority groups will not pass.

Well really! This is one Bill that's not passing through any 12% minority community = 50% Senate pollocks cos the result will be that some of our northern friends may use this as a bar to effective central government a la 1963.

Perhaps we should learn from past mistakes.

BillC, I am talking about the Senate and not the lower house.

Most Bills would pass as normal, with representatives voting mostly along party lines.

Each community would have 20% representation in the Senate as there are 5 ethnic communities in Cyprus. This means that no single community would be able to render the nation's Governance as ineffective, but at the same time, if any Bills are introduced that could detrimentally effect any minority group, then the minority communities are able to defeat it.

This is just a safeguard, and the House of Representatives will have a more democratic form in that it will represent all Cypriots Communities in line with their demographic proportions.

[insan]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

What is detrimental to one community and what is not completely depends on circumstances, political ideology, beliefs and some other elements. U have cultural, lingual, religious and political ties with other ethnic groups for hundreds of years. So, we won't give up our pure 50% power on legislative and judicial bodies.

[Paphitis]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

What is detrimental to one community and what is not completely depends on circumstances, political ideology, beliefs and some other elements. U have cultural, lingual, religious and political ties with other ethnic groups for hundreds of years. So, we won't give up our pure 50% power on legislative and judicial bodies.

The other communities also have their own cultural, lingual, and religious ties, and so any Bill introduced to the Senate that would jeopardise the cultural, lingual or religious ties of any minority group, would no doubt be blocked by all minority communities.

You are dreaming if you believe that the GCs are going to give you a 50% power share in the House of Representatives and in the Senate.

[insan]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

What is detrimental to one community and what is not completely depends on circumstances, political ideology, beliefs and some other elements. U have cultural, lingual, religious and political ties with other ethnic groups for hundreds of years. So, we won't give up our pure 50% power on legislative and judicial bodies.

The other communities also have their own cultural, lingual, and religious ties, and so any Bill introduced to the Senate that would jeopardise the cultural, lingual or religious ties of any minority group, would no doubt be blocked by all minority communities.

Ok. U know we TCs don't consider the Turkish intervention as invasion. Let's say the issue put on the agenda of Senate to decide whether it was an invasion or an intervention. What would be the result? I'm 100% sure of that only 2 TC senators would object it and the result would be 8 VS 2, acceptance of the Turkish intervention as Turkish invasion.

Next step will be making official EOKA's situation as liberation fighters and TMT the terrorist orgaization.

Next? Making official the alleged Armenian Genocide as officially recognized Armenian Genocide in RoC? Or have u already passed that bill in so-called RoC. Will TCs just have to accept it without any balloting?

What else u r planing to make us obbey in ur "democratic" senate? I'm sure all the myths and propaganda u carried out throughout the centuries will become officially accepted "truths" and "facts" of the so called democratic RoC.

[Get Real!]

So why is the Hellenic Ethnos demonised so much? Is it because some believe that by doing so the Turkish Cypriots will also reject their ethnicity?

Speak for yourself… I’m ethnically CYPRIOT and haven’t the slightest connection or interest in anything “Hellenic”.

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

You are such a Cypriot!

How old did you say you are?

Definitely older than you… and your point being what?

[Paphitis]

So why is the Hellenic Ethnos demonised so much? Is it because some believe that by doing so the Turkish Cypriots will also reject their ethnicity?

Speak for yourself… I’m ethnically CYPRIOT and haven’t the slightest connection or interest in anything “Hellenic”.

WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

You are such a Cypriot!

How old did you say you are?

Definitely older than you… and your point being what?

You don't act your age.

You may be older, but you sure as hell behave like a child.

[Get Real!]

3. Allies, whether they like it or not, of British dehellenisation of Cyprus are the Cypriot communists....

What “hellenization” of Cyprus you Slavic mongrel?

Have you ANY idea how long the people of Cyprus have been here for?

THOUSANDS of years before anything ancient “Greek” even existed!

Just in case you missed it...

THOUSANDS!

You may now go back to sleep...

[DT.]

However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.

Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.

This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.

So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?

If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.

Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).

I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.

What is detrimental to one community and what is not completely depends on circumstances, political ideology, beliefs and some other elements. U have cultural, lingual, religious and political ties with other ethnic groups for hundreds of years. So, we won't give up our pure 50% power on legislative and judicial bodies.

The other communities also have their own cultural, lingual, and religious ties, and so any Bill introduced to the Senate that would jeopardise the cultural, lingual or religious ties of any minority group, would no doubt be blocked by all minority communities.

Ok. U know we TCs don't consider the Turkish intervention as invasion. Let's say the issue put on the agenda of Senate to decide whether it was an invasion or an intervention. What would be the result? I'm 100% sure of that only 2 TC senators would object it and the result would be 8 VS 2, acceptance of the Turkish intervention as Turkish invasion.

Next step will be making official EOKA's situation as liberation fighters and TMT the terrorist orgaization.

Next? Making official the alleged Armenian Genocide as officially recognized Armenian Genocide in RoC? Or have u already passed that bill in so-called RoC. Will TCs just have to accept it without any balloting?

What else u r planing to make us obbey in ur "democratic" senate? I'm sure all the myths and propaganda u carried out throughout the centuries will become officially accepted "truths" and "facts" of the so called democratic RoC.

You're afraid the invasion will be called an invasion?

What else would you like to make sure you're allowed to continue to lie about?