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I’m a GC who denounces both Greece & Turkey and supports the sovereignty of Cyprus.
11
34%
I’m a GC who insists that the whole of Cyprus is Greek!
7
22%
I’m a GC against the sovereignty of Cyprus and in favor of “Greek” and “Turkish” sections.
0
No votes
I’m a TC who denounces both Turkey & Greece and supports the sovereignty of Cyprus.
2
6%
I’m a TC who insists that the whole of Cyprus is Turkish!
1
3%
I’m a TC against the sovereignty of Cyprus and in favor of “Turkish” and “Greek” sections.
6
19%
I’m a Greek who supports the sovereignty of Cyprus.
0
No votes
I’m a Greek who insists that the whole of Cyprus is Greek!
1
3%
I’m a Greek against the sovereignty of Cyprus and in favor of “Greek” and “Turkish” sections.
0
No votes
I’m a Turk who supports the sovereignty of Cyprus.
1
3%
I’m a Turk who insists that the whole of Cyprus is Turkish!
2
6%
I’m a Turk against the sovereignty of Cyprus and in favor of “Turkish” and “Greek” sections.
1
3%
 
Total votes : 32

Postby Simon » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:40 pm

The Cypriot,

From your answer to Piratis, it seems that you agree that the only difference between Cyprus and the other Greek islands is that the geopolitical circumstances of the time did not allow Cyprus to become a part of Greece, as the majority of Cypriots wanted, correct? Hence we are now independent, which is what your answers simply referred to.
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Postby insan » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:44 pm

Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).
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Postby Byron » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:44 pm

Simon wrote:The Cypriot,

From your answer to Piratis, it seems that you agree that the only difference between Cyprus and the other Greek islands is that the geopolitical circumstances of the time did not allow Cyprus to become a part of Greece, as the majority of Cypriots wanted, correct? Hence we are now independent, which is what your answers simply referred to.


Independent but also " hostage"
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:50 pm

insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).


I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Apr 05, 2009 3:55 pm

Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).


I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.


Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:00 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).


I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.


Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.


All Bills would need to pass through the Senate and have an overwhelming majority. If each community has equal representation, then you are effectively guaranteeing that any Bills that could be deemed to disadvantage any minority groups will not pass.
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Postby Get Real! » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:25 pm

Paphitis wrote:So why is the Hellenic Ethnos demonised so much? Is it because some believe that by doing so the Turkish Cypriots will also reject their ethnicity? :lol: :lol:

Speak for yourself… I’m ethnically CYPRIOT and haven’t the slightest connection or interest in anything “Hellenic”.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:27 pm

Paphitis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).


I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.


Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.


All Bills would need to pass through the Senate and have an overwhelming majority. If each community has equal representation, then you are effectively guaranteeing that any Bills that could be deemed to disadvantage any minority groups will not pass.


But that is not what GCs support Guaranteed equal representation is what we demand.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:34 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
Viewpoint wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
Paphitis wrote:
insan wrote:
However, times have changed in the Greek Cypriot community and now they have accepted Turkish Cypriots as one of the two main communities to a large degree.


Yet I haven't heard any GCs other than Bananiot, genuinely accepting TC community as one of the 2 main communities.

As for the minorities of Cyprus, they have always stood beside either of the communities according to their beliefs and interests. The rights of minorities must be secured and fully satisfied according to relevant provisions of constitution and laws.


This can be done by giving the Greek Cypriot Community, Turkish Cypriot Community, Maronite Cypriot Community, Latin Cypriot Community and Armenian Cypriot Community and equal representation within the Senate. This way, everyone's rights can be safeguarded.

The Armenian, Latin, and Maronite communities can not be ignored either.


So, in any case u(GCs) will exert to be the major power and consider all others ineffective minorities. Anything leads to GC rule is accepted by u, eh?


If all communities have equal representation with the Senate, their rights will be protected and at the same time the House of Representatives can represent all Cypriots democratically, based on each communities demographic dimensions.


Yeah, just a formal representation of all communities because u r sure on many international issues and national interests of GCs, as usual; Latins, Maronites and Armenians would take side by GCs. Then u would call it the perfect democracy as long as GC rules... and if the rulers of GCs r nationalists this will directly lead to Greece and GCs rule(Hellenic Rule).


I disagree with your assumption. Each community will protect their own interests first and foremost. The other minor communities would not side with the Greek Cypriots if they would attempt to pass any Bills to the detriment of other minority groups, as this would inevitably make their communities even more vulnerable down the track.


Would it matter, if the majority wanted to pass the bill the minority groups would have to accept your domination even if it were to their detrement. Thats where we TCs differ.


All Bills would need to pass through the Senate and have an overwhelming majority. If each community has equal representation, then you are effectively guaranteeing that any Bills that could be deemed to disadvantage any minority groups will not pass.


But that is not what GCs support Guaranteed equal representation is what we demand.


This can be achieved in the Senate, which would also allow for a more democratic representative in the House of Representatives whilst ensuring that ALL minority groups are able to protect their communities interests in the Senate.
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Postby Paphitis » Sun Apr 05, 2009 4:34 pm

Get Real! wrote:
Paphitis wrote:So why is the Hellenic Ethnos demonised so much? Is it because some believe that by doing so the Turkish Cypriots will also reject their ethnicity? :lol: :lol:

Speak for yourself… I’m ethnically CYPRIOT and haven’t the slightest connection or interest in anything “Hellenic”.


:shock: :shock: WOWWWWWWWWWWWWW

You are such a Cypriot! :lol:

How old did you say you are? :?
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