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Re: M16 Cyprus Files - The British Conspiracy

Postby YFred » Thu Apr 02, 2009 9:49 pm

insan wrote:
samarkeolog wrote:
Paphitis wrote:According to the BBC Radio 4 documentary programme “Document” transmitted on Monday 23 January 2006 evidence exists which shows that the UK was directly behind Turkish terrorism in Cyprus after it gained its independence in 1960 in order to bring about the partition of the island.


Yes and no. Elements within the British state were working towards partition, but other elements were working against it. Elements within the British military and intelligence were working for partition, it may even have been official intelligence policy; but neither the British state nor the British community was trying to partition Cyprus.

Plus even the intelligence services weren't "behind" TMT; but maybe they were [i]beside it. They didn't create or direct TMT, but they did support and help it.

Either way, it was a shameful episode in British history.


I see nothing wrong with some elements or whole elements in British being behind/beside TMT or TCs while there were some foreign elements behind EOKA and other Enosist groups of Hellenes. What's wrong with it?

I remember English soldiers coming to the village in 63, help organise how to defend the village from attack. Thank god they did, although some on this forum may think otherwise.
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Postby denizaksulu » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:04 pm

Paphitis wrote:This is the credible source:

Fanoulla Argyrou
Researcher/author
London 24.1.2006.

And in case you have not noticed, she is not making any extravagant claims but is researching claims from the very credible British Media - BBC Radio 4 transmitted on 23 Jan 06!

Is the BBC not credible enough for you CBBBC? :roll:



Simple answer is NO Paphitis. During the fighting in 1964, the BBC mentioned that the St. Hilarion had fallen to the Greek Cypriot forces and repeated that the castle was in Goverment hands. This was not true - obviously.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:31 pm

114. Transcript of Telephone Conversation Between Secretary of State Kissinger and British Foreign Minister Callaghan11. Source: Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box 384, Telephone Conversations, Chronological File. No classification marking. Kissinger was in Washington; Callaghan was in London.
July 22, 1974, 11:25 a.m.

K: You wouldn't take my call. I rang you this morning, and you wouldn't take my call.

C: [laughs]22. Brackets in the original. Well, now, what's the situation?

K: Well, our understanding is that there is a coup in Greece.

C: Yes.

K: And Sisco thinks they won't be ready to meet tomorrow.

C: Yes, I am told that this man Davos (?) is taking over. Is that right?

K: That's right, and our reading is that he isn't so bad.

C: Our what?

K: Our reading is that he may be more moderate.

C: Yeah, you know you've got a broken voice. I don't think it's just the accent of yours. It's that bloody machine you've got there.

K: Do you want me to call you back?

C: I think I can just make it out, Henry, if you go pretty slowly. Did you say that—uh, what did you say last?

K: I said that my impression—our impression—is that this fellow may not be so bad to work with.

C: Ah, right, I agree, but I am told he's pretty anti-Turkish.

K: Umm.

C: However, I'll put it off, and what do you suggest? Wednesday?33. July 24.

K: I would put it til Thursday.

C: Well, is that letting it go a big long?

K: Well, then do it Wednesday if you want.

C: I think we'd better try for Wednesday, and we may have to settle for Thursday.

K: Good.

C: Because the situation is such that you've got this man Sampson still there.

K: I agree.

C: And Ecevit was ringing me up and saying that genocide is going on and there's no authority to deal with.

K: Now we are talking to Waldheim…

C: Yes.

K: … to increase the UN force.

C: Yes.

K: And we will strongly support it if you will.

C: Yes, we will certainly strongly support that, although we shall probably have to supply some people.

K: That's what I would think.

C: Yes, well all right. Well I would try and get that through, and we would have to add some people to the UN force and let them operate under UN auspices.

K: Good.

C: But I think in those circumstances it is all the more important we try and make it Wednesday if we can.

K: Good. And I will bring Sisco home, and I will send Bill Buffum.

C: Bill who?

K: Buffum.

C: All right. Yes.

K: He's a very stable and solid and unexcitable fellow.

C: Very good.

K: And he will have my thinking in very great detail.

C: Would he come to Geneva?

K: If you want him.

C: Well, I think we'd better have him in London first.

K: Ok.

C: And then he can come on from London to Geneva when we start the conference.

K: He will be in London on Wednesday.

C: On Wednesday.

K: Unless it slips.

C: Unless it slips, yes. All right. We'll see him here first thing Wednesday morning then, Henry.

K: He'll be there first thing Wednesday.

C: And then he can consult with us before we go. And we will try and make the conference Wednesday afternoon.

K: Wonderful.

C: See if you can make that stick with the Greeks and with the Turks, will you?

K: I'll do my best.

C: Right, old man. Good.

K: And I've really enjoyed working with you on this.

C: I really have. I think we've managed this not too badly, don't you?

K: I think it's come out as a net asset.

C: Yes, I think it's good too. We've got to get rid of this fellow Sampson quickly, you know?

K: Well, I told you, we'd support that.

C: Yes. That's right. OK. Well, when we get your man over here, we'll talk, and we'll try and coordinate again.

K: Now, look, I'm seeing MAKARIOS this afternoon.44. Kissinger met privately with MAKARIOS for 1 hour and 20 minutes, at which time Ambassadors Dimitriou and McCloskey joined them. MAKARIOS handed Kissinger his six handwritten proposals for resolving the Cyprus issue, including demands for a return to the status quo ante and a mixed police force. Kissinger then briefed the Ambassadors on the private conversation and remained noncommittal on who should lead Cyprus. (Informal record of meeting, July 22; Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box 123, Geopolitical File, Cyprus, Chronological File) Two other memoranda of conversations relating to the meeting are in the National Archives, RG 59, Central Foreign Policy Files, 1974, P770087–0271 and P870119–0415.

C: Yes.

K: And I'm going to play it rather cool.

C: Don't be too cool.

K: No, I'll play it loose.

C: You must recognize, he's the legitimate President until any other arrangements are made.

K: That's right. No, no, I'll be very friendly, but I will be noncommittal.

C: Yes, that's all right. I tell you, we will have to move very delicately on that one, Henry.

K: I agree with you.

C: Yeah, because we've got this big … well, I've got a lot of information I'll tell your chap _____55. Omission in the original. on that. And I know all the difficulties, but I take it you want to appear to be isolated on this one, you know. If we move, we've got to move together.

K: No, no, we are not going to make a commitment, but we don't want a final decision made.

C: No, no, all right. Well, we are going to inform him through our UN ambassador there. Righto, we are going to inform him of what is taking place, and we will notify Denktash, the Turkish leader, too, and Clerides.

K: Right. And we will stay loose on it and very friendly.

C: Yes, that's right.

K: And we will send you a reporting cable.

C: Yes, you keep it going for a bit, Henry. You take your uncle's advice.

K: Oh, no, you can count on that. You can absolutely count on that.

C: And you must be absolutely filthy to Sampson.

K: You can count on that too. [laughter]66. Brackets in the original.

C: Very good. I can always count on you being filthy, can I?

K: We really have turned nasty on this.

C: [laughs] All right.

K: Good. Nice to have talked to you.

C: Goodbye now.

1 Source: Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box 384, Telephone Conversations, Chronological File. No classification marking. Kissinger was in Washington; Callaghan was in London.

2 Brackets in the original.

3 July 24.

4 Kissinger met privately with MAKARIOS for 1 hour and 20 minutes, at which time Ambassadors Dimitriou and McCloskey joined them. MAKARIOS handed Kissinger his six handwritten proposals for resolving the Cyprus issue, including demands for a return to the status quo ante and a mixed police force. Kissinger then briefed the Ambassadors on the private conversation and remained noncommittal on who should lead Cyprus. (Informal record of meeting, July 22; Library of Congress, Manuscript Division, Kissinger Papers, Box 123, Geopolitical File, Cyprus, Chronological File) Two other memoranda of conversations relating to the meeting are in the National Archives, RG 59, Central Foreign Policy Files, 1974, P770087–0271 and P870119–0415.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:46 pm

88. Telegram From the Embassy in Greece to the Department of State11. Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Box 1312, Saunders Chron File, NSC Secretariat, Richard M. Nixon Cables/Contingency Plans 1974, Cyprus and Greek-Turkish Contingency Plans. Secret; Immediate; Exdis. Repeated to Nicosia, Ankara, and USNATO. A handwritten note by Clift, presumably to Scowcroft, reads, “Read this one in detail!”
Athens, July 16, 1974, 1645Z.

4528. Subject: Cyprus Coup: Meeting with General Ioannides. Ref: State 152379.22. Document 82. For the Secretary.

1. I used secure reliable channel directly to General Ioannides to deliver message reftel. He began by explaining he had personal message from USG. After emissary had read two paragraphs, Ioannides commented message must be same as that Ambassador had given Kypreos, in which case emissary wasting his time since he would receive message anyway. Emissary explained his job was to finish reading message and hand it to him and would do so, to which General Ioannides said fine.

2. After emissary completed message, the General literally blew up, jumped up, backed up, knocked over a table, broke empty glass and uttered a strong obscenity. He continued that one day Kissinger makes public statements regarding non-interference in Greek internal affairs and a few weeks later the USG says “consistent with the above principles …” and threatens interference. “No matter what happened in Cyprus I (Ioannides) will be blamed. If I had pulled the troops out the former politicians would have blamed me for turning the island over to the Communists. Some day USG will realize that on 15 July 1974 Cyprus was saved from falling into the hands of the Communists”.

3. General then calmed down, came over to where emissary was sitting and said he knew he understood him: diplomatic talk is time-consuming but he would answer in as diplomatic fashion as possible because he had diplomatic mission.

4. General stated that Greece also believed in non-interference and in a free, independent, sovereign state of Cyprus; Greece would abide by the decision of the majority of the Greek Cypriots, most of whom were nationalists, and these nationalists were the ones who had moved against MAKARIOS. It was immaterial whether these Greek Cypriot nationalists moved with or without the prior blessing of Greece or whether Greek officers subsequently assisted them. At this point he went off on a tangent stating that neither Greece nor the Greek Cypriots had asked for enosis, that GOT had obviously accepted these developments in Cyprus, that Turks understood that the matter was an internal Greek Cypriot affair.

5. According to Ioannides only real resistance left on Cyprus were Communist supporters of MAKARIOS in Paphos; these supporters were even singing EAM/ELAS33. Reference is to the Greek Communist resistance movement of World War II. songs. Most of the rest of island was in nationalist hands. General Ioannides stated that everyone should forget that MAKARIOS was an international figure, that he was a national hero, that he had served several useful functions and that he was a man of the cloth; MAKARIOS had become a rotten priest homosexual; he was perverted, a torturer, a sexual deviate and the owner of half the hotels on the island. :lol: To preserve his position and to continue his activities, MAKARIOS was willing to sacrifice seventy per cent of the Greek Cypriot population (only thirty per cent were AKEL) and entire anti-Communist Turkish Cypriot population. Ioannides asserted Greek Cypriots in National Guard realized these facts and had begged motherland for chance to act against MAKARIOS; General claimed that he only assisted after being presented with a fait accompli.

6. At this point emissary interjected and told Ioannides point-blank that, with coup only twenty-four hours after his reporting to us regarding a possible overthrow of Makarios this was very difficult for anyone to believe. At this point the General again blew up with arms waving, knocked over the same table, broke a second glass and, between obscenities, stated that he did not plot and arrange the coup, initial plan and approach was from Greek Cypriot nationalists on 13 July, after latter learned that GOG intended to accede to MAKARIOS' demands to reduce number of Greek officers in National Guard. General stated he could not accept at least 85,000 Greek Cypriot refugees from MAKARIOS ' tyranny. :shock: This coupled with MAKARIOS' anti-regime efforts, made him decide to assist Greek Cypriot nationalists. The General stated that if Makarios succeeded in kicking Greeks out of Cyprus what could keep him from thinking he could not kick junta out of Greece. After deciding to assist Greek Cypriots, the General claimed that he did not tell the Armed Forces leadership nor any Greek official. He limited knowledge of his intentions to few select officers on 13/14 July; no one else knew and even after events unfolded on 15 July only a handful of people were aware of his role. Ioannides justified this action by asserting that if he had briefed numerous people they would have raised suggestions, advice, alternatives, and possible problems. He added that he acted on spur of the moment.

7. Ioannides declared that game was now over for MAKARIOS, that Greek Cypriots had booted him out, that National Guard and Greek officers had assisted nationalist Greek Cypriot brothers, and that only resistance now was in Paphos. In reply to emissary's direct question Ioannides stated that MAKARIOS was still alive “but who cares; he now has no power and no one, if he believes in principle of non-interference in internal affairs of sovereign nation will assist him—not even the Russians unless Turks ask them to do so and the Turks just don't care.” :lol:

8. In reply to question whether Greeks were in direct touch with Turks, General stated we have not bothered the Turks; we have not declared enosis. Turks agree that “the principal thorn” (i.e., MAKARIOS) is gone and, “I am not in touch with the Turks.” He expressed view that Greece and Turkey could now proceed at some future time to sit down, talk and solve their differences. Indeed, according to Ioannides Greeks might even be willing to share profits of petroleum finds in a joint exploration company; however, Greece would never surrender Aegean continental shelf because this would mean Turkish control of Greek islands. :lol: (A good deal between ultra-nationalist, anti-Turk Hellenes and Turks? :lol: )

He also expressed belief that Greek and Turkish Cypriots could probably solve their difficulties peacefully, quietly and amicably. :lol: He even joked that in a year or perhaps more realistically ten, the Turks might want to sell their share of Cyprus for increased percentage of petroleum rights. :lol: :lol:

Again in reply to direct question, General Ioannides stated that he was not in contact with any Turkish official; however, he added that Turks were “officially aware” that enosis was not the objective at this point and that Greek Cypriots did not intend any bloody action against Turk Cypriots. :lol: :lol: Deep love of Ionnides towards Turks. :lol:


9. When asked for specifics on MAKARIOS, Ioannides stated that according to Greek information, MAKARIOS was alive and in hands of British at Episkopi Base; he had gone there with assistance of Canadians and British on island.

10. At this point Ioannides summed up as follows:

A) He stressed that he too had a God; he was definitely not anti-American; “even a jackass needed a post to be tied to” and in his case it was the U.S. :lol: Ionnides was a crazy retard, indeed. :lol:

B) His hasty decision on 13 July might have been stupid. :lol: Instead of abandoning Cyprus and letting U.S. worry about its fate and pour money down another rathole, he had allowed love of country, a moral obligation to the Greek Cypriot nationalists and his “philotimo” to overrule logic and to assist Greek Cypriots. :lol:

C) Greece would do whatever was necessary to preserve its national identity and to stay anti-Communist. If this meant keeping Yiaros open it would stay open as long as it was necessary and he would accept no static from anyone on this score. Indeed, he had instructed a Greek official to tell British officially that whenever the British let Irish political prisoners out of British jails, he would free the forty-two Greek political prisoners on Yiaros.

D) He personally didn't like Nikos Sampson, but that was Greek Cypriot nationalist decision. :lol: Unbelievable! :lol:

He knew Sampson personally and in his opinion Sampson was “crazy.” :lol: He jokingly remarked that new Cypriot Minister of Defense Dimitriou was very pro-American and that our Embassy there would soon realize this. He also knew Dimitriou personally.

E) While shaking hands at close of conversation Ioannides stated, “Remember we too believe in a free, independent and sovereign Cyprus, we too believe in non-interference, along with Turks and especially with Kissinger. We too believe that the Cypriots should be free to solve their own problems, be they Greek Cypriots, Turk Cypriots or both.”
:lol:

What an angel heart! :lol: If GR knew Ionnides would love him a lot! :lol:


Tasca

1 Source: National Archives, Nixon Presidential Materials, NSC Files, Box 1312, Saunders Chron File, NSC Secretariat, Richard M. Nixon Cables/Contingency Plans 1974, Cyprus and Greek-Turkish Contingency Plans. Secret; Immediate; Exdis. Repeated to Nicosia, Ankara, and USNATO. A handwritten note by Clift, presumably to Scowcroft, reads, “Read this one in detail!”

http://history.state.gov/historicaldocu ... -76v30/d88
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Postby YFred » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:48 pm

Keep up the good work insan.

I've learnt a lot today.
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Postby insan » Thu Apr 02, 2009 10:49 pm

YFred wrote:Keep up the good work insan.

I've learnt a lot today.
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