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[Paphitis]

British policy towards Cyprus: a pre-election assesment

British released documents for 1974

The 1974 British Foreign Office and Ministry of Defence documents released on 1 January reveal quite a handful this year. And expose beyond any doubt the partitionist British policy followed before, during and most importantly right after the Turkish invasion, a policy that inevitably led with mathematical accuracy to the Annan plan today.

First of all I should summarise that the Turkish policy from January 1974 and right up to the invasion in July and thereafter was also consistent as all the previous years. Demanded Federation, geographical federation and blatantly referred to bizonal bicommunal federation as the ultimate goal.

On the 11th of February the idea of Federation was officially demanded by the Turks. On the 13th the Turkish Foreign Minister told the British Ambassador in Ankara that the federal system was their objective in order to put the Turkish minority on an equal footing with the Greeks. On the 27th of February the Turkish constitutionalist working in Cyprus explained to the British High Commissioner that the bicommunal state remained the Turkish goal but they did not have faith in the 1960 Treaties and that Federation would not work without geographical separation and so on.

On the 12 July the Cyprus High Commission in London delivered to the Foreign Office a memorandum about the impracticability of a federal solution which was a clearly Turkish solution and Turkish demand which Archbishop Makarios rejected as it would lead to partition.

On the 17th of July Makarios who had been rescued by the British and transported via Malta to London met with Prime Minister Harold Wilson and Foreign Secretary James Callaghan and agreed with Prime Minister when the latter tried to put words in his mouth that the actions of Greece amounted to an invasion.

The same day Turkish Prime Minister Ecevit also met with Harold Wilson and James Callaghan and asked permission to invade Cyprus through the British Bases. Although they refused to join Turkey in such an operation, purely on legal grounds (they knew they would be in deep trouble had they conceded) they eagerly promised to help Ecevit to proceed with the invasion when they agreed to prevent Greece from rushing troops in aid of Cyprus.

Therevealing factor in this case is of course two fold. A) The original intention of Turkey was to invade and occupy the whole of the island if one takes into consideration that the bases are located on the other side of Cyprus and B) The British Government gave its tacit clearance to Turkey to proceed with the invasion and promised to do everything to blockade Greece from helping Cyprus (which in fact tallies perfectly with the British 1964 preparation plan for a Turkish invasion).

Kissinger factor

On the 18 of July a very detailed document brings to light a totally different picture from the one we had taken for granted for 30 years. American Foreign Secretary Henry Kissinger was stressing in no uncertain terms to Callaghan that he wanted Britain to work with the Greeks and Turks together in London for a constitutional solution on the basis of the 1960 Treaties calling a tripartite meeting for the 20th of July. He did not want Makarios or Sampson and favoured Glafkos Clerides which was the British chosen one too, but a solution formula to be found based on the 1960 Treaties. 10 Downing street advisers however disagreed with Kissinger on this and were pushing forcefully for a radical constitutional change undermining the 1960 Treaties in accordance with the wishes of the Turks.

The documents for the whole of the 1974 bring to light that the real driving force behind the events and policies was indeed the British Government and not the Americans. Dr. Kissinger in many ways followed the Foreign Office advice, guidance and wishes and clearly disagreed fundamentally with the idea of bizonal federation between August and the end of the year. Kissinger preferred cantonal federation to bizonal federation and by the end of the year the documents show that he was fed up with Clerides and slightly sided with Makarios which annoyed greatly James Callaghan and the Foreign Office. Hence the Turkish Foreign Minister Gunes’ plan for six cantons in Geneva was primarily based on Kissinger’s preference whereas R. Dentash’s one for bizonal bicommunal federation was reflecting Ankara’s and London’s preference. Callaghan also rejected Kissinger’s suggestion for an emergency meeting of NATO on the 14th of August because that would have clearly stopped Turkey from executing its second prearranged invasion for which Callaghan was fully informed in advance.

Glafkos Clerides – the man to build on

The other crucial factor is the confirmation that Glafkos Clerides was the No. 1 man for the dirty work of the British Government and the Turks. And the man who had undertaken to impose the bizonal bicommunal federation on Makarios and the Greek Government.

Wilson and Callaghan had invested heavily on the Athens meeting between Makarios and the newly elected Karamanlis Government which took place end of November and beginning of December and went out of their way in order to pressurise Makarios and Constantinos Karamanlis in accepting the Turkish solution.

As early as the 16 of August the Foreign Office had noted: “It is important that we should avoid any suggestion that in favouring the geographical separation of the two communities as the most viable solution of the Cyprus problem, we are working for the partition of the island. We should use the term ‘biregional federation…”.

During the August negotiations in Geneva James Callaghan tried strenuously to get Clerides and George Mavros (Greek Foreign Minister) to accept the bizonal solution. He had already prepared an agreement for them to sign accepting a bizonal bicommunal constitutional change. But it was too soon and Clerides could not do it as yet fearing the reaction in Cyprus and Greece and that of Makarios. But after the second invasion Clerides was wholeheartedly working for the imposition of the bizonal bicommunal federation in full cooperation with the British Government and with no reservations whatsoever whilst the British were doing everything possible to assist him.

And it is in this context of Callaghan/Clerides cooperation that one must explain Glafkos Clerides’ speech on the 6 November 1974 at the ‘Argo’ gallery in Nicosia in favour of a geographical federation. For which James Callaghan rushed to convey an oral message of praise to Clerides through the High Commissioner in Cyprus promising to do all he could in order to help him in his task.

On the 26 of November Clerides in conversation with the British High Commissioner confirmed that a bizonal federation was the Turkish aim. He proposed to work in the Athens meeting for a protocol for a bi-regional federation as the first negotiating gambit, but it was agreed to revert to a bizonal solution if that got him nowhere and explained to the British High Commissioner that he intended even to threaten with resignation if Makarios refused to sign a protocol towards this end. In other words to blackmail Makarios.

Makarios did not accept the bizonal federation but conceded to a multi-federal system as a way out. Immediately the British Government and Gl. Clerides took advantage of that concession and in order to commit the Cyprus Government to that first essential step in promoting their partitionist policies, Glafcos Clerides , as President of the House of representatives and Greek Cypriot negotiator at the intercommmunal talks, in his capacity as head of the Cyprus delegation at the United Nations Security Council Session, held in February 1975, disclosed in his statement the proposals he had already handed to the Turkish Cypriot side (R. Dentash) on 10 February 1975; setting out the views of the Cyprus Government for a settlement and for a bicommunal multi-regional federal state constitution. Which in fact, with slight variations, was a carbon copy of Callaghan’s draft for a bizonal solution presented on the 13 of August in Geneva.

We all know what followed those proposals, the 1977 and 1979 Makarios and Kyprianou agreements with Denktash.

Finally the documents reveal that the British disliked the possibility of Tassos Papadopoulos becoming President of the island as early as the Autumn of 1974, when they described such an eventually as disastrous.

Fanoulla Argyrou
Researcher/journalist
3 March 2005

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OK, I surrender. If you don't want to post the links, don't!

[YFred]

Everything is quoted from either the BBC or Cyprus Mail and I have provided both the source and date. Find the damn link yourself!

Some of these articles are very old and it is almost impossible to provide you with a link.

Don't these two statments contradict each other?

Whats the matter with everybody today, stop picking on the poor bafiti boy. Leave him alone, you are picking on him and its not fair. Play the white man!

Typical racist remarks from you YFronts!

If you think that is racist, I feel sorry for you. You want to see racism, read this right under your nose, its big enough:

Sudanese girl beaten in vicious racist attack
By Alexia Saoulli
(archive article - Saturday, December 20, 2008)
A 15-YEAR-OLD Sudanese girl was in hospital yesterday after she was badly beaten in an unprovoked racist attack on Thursday night.

The teenager was attacked by dozens of youths after a volleyball match between Akaki gymnasium and a Strovolos secondary school.

“They kicked her, punched her, pulled her hair and told her to go home as foreigners are not welcome here,” said Doros Polycarpou, leader of immigrant support group, KISA.

The young girl, who is Cypriot citizen from African descent, was a player in the Akaki team. The attack occurred following the match’s conclusion, which saw the 15-year-old’s team victorious.

“At first she was attacked by one of the other team’s players and then suddenly everyone lunged at her, including fans,” said Polycarpou.

When the girl’s coach tried to defend her, he was threatened with a beating.

“They had to call 199 and it was only when the police arrived that the beating stopped,” he said.

But the only thing the police did to protect the girl was to lock her in the school until her father arrived to take her to hospital.

“No one was arrested. No statements were taken. No one was charged,” said Polycarpou.

The 15-year-old was taken to Nicosia general hospital with severe injuries and admitted for treatment. She remained in hospital last night.

When her father tried to report the incident he was told to fill in a medical form and to return with it later. The teen’s father did as he was asked only to be told that the afternoon shift that had handled the incident had gone home.

“He was told to come back the next day. When he went by today he was told that the shift hadn’t come to work yet and that they would contact him,” Polycarpou said.

According to a KISA news release: “This is one of the most serious crimes concerning racist violence in Cyprus, since the reason of the attack was the young girl’s skin colour. She is a Cypriot national of African origins… The incident may be an unusually extreme form of racist violence, but it nevertheless takes place in a broader social framework, where racist attitudes and discrimination against migrants and refugees (concerning employment, housing and other aspects of daily life) now dominate.”

Incidents of this nature were relevant to the stigmatisation of migrants by politicians, the media and social prominent personalities who persistently made racist generalisations, the statement said. Examples included the constant referral to “illegal migrants” even when referring to refugees from Iraq or Palestine, linking unemployment and crime to an increase in migrants, concealing the positive impact of migrants on the economy and society, and an absence of effective social integration practices.

“Unfortunately, the racist venom has been allowed to poison the souls of a portion of our youth,” KISA said.

The organisation also criticised police for continually showing a total lack of sensibility towards incidents of racist violence and for often failing to even take a record of such incidents.

“The African Community in Cyprus is living in fear since last night’s attack. KISA demands the thorough investigation of the incident and the punishment of those guilty of the crime. This is of course the bare minimum and cannot in itself solve the larger problem. What is absolutely necessary is the implementation of a comprehensive policy on migration and asylum that will safeguard migrants’ rights, respect of diversity and the social integration of migrants, refugees, children of mixed marriages, and others. It is also necessary to introduce a comprehensive action plan against racism, xenophobia and discrimination,” said KISA.

The immigrant group called on all students, particularly the perpetrators’ schoolmates, to isolate the 15-year-old’s attackers and to show their solidarity to the young victim and her family.

The organisation will hold a protest demonstration at 11am in Eleftheria Square today in an effort to raise awareness about the incident and to put an end to similar ones in future before they taken on even more tragic dimensions.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

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Everything is quoted from either the BBC or Cyprus Mail and I have provided both the source and date. Find the damn link yourself!

Some of these articles are very old and it is almost impossible to provide you with a link.

Don't these two statments contradict each other?

Whats the matter with everybody today, stop picking on the poor bafiti boy. Leave him alone, you are picking on him and its not fair. Play the white man!

Typical racist remarks from you YFronts!

If you think that is racist, I feel sorry for you. You want to see racism, read this right under your nose, its big enough:

Sudanese girl beaten in vicious racist attack
By Alexia Saoulli
(archive article - Saturday, December 20, 2008)
A 15-YEAR-OLD Sudanese girl was in hospital yesterday after she was badly beaten in an unprovoked racist attack on Thursday night.

The teenager was attacked by dozens of youths after a volleyball match between Akaki gymnasium and a Strovolos secondary school.

“They kicked her, punched her, pulled her hair and told her to go home as foreigners are not welcome here,” said Doros Polycarpou, leader of immigrant support group, KISA.

The young girl, who is Cypriot citizen from African descent, was a player in the Akaki team. The attack occurred following the match’s conclusion, which saw the 15-year-old’s team victorious.

“At first she was attacked by one of the other team’s players and then suddenly everyone lunged at her, including fans,” said Polycarpou.

When the girl’s coach tried to defend her, he was threatened with a beating.

“They had to call 199 and it was only when the police arrived that the beating stopped,” he said.

But the only thing the police did to protect the girl was to lock her in the school until her father arrived to take her to hospital.

“No one was arrested. No statements were taken. No one was charged,” said Polycarpou.

The 15-year-old was taken to Nicosia general hospital with severe injuries and admitted for treatment. She remained in hospital last night.

When her father tried to report the incident he was told to fill in a medical form and to return with it later. The teen’s father did as he was asked only to be told that the afternoon shift that had handled the incident had gone home.

“He was told to come back the next day. When he went by today he was told that the shift hadn’t come to work yet and that they would contact him,” Polycarpou said.

According to a KISA news release: “This is one of the most serious crimes concerning racist violence in Cyprus, since the reason of the attack was the young girl’s skin colour. She is a Cypriot national of African origins… The incident may be an unusually extreme form of racist violence, but it nevertheless takes place in a broader social framework, where racist attitudes and discrimination against migrants and refugees (concerning employment, housing and other aspects of daily life) now dominate.”

Incidents of this nature were relevant to the stigmatisation of migrants by politicians, the media and social prominent personalities who persistently made racist generalisations, the statement said. Examples included the constant referral to “illegal migrants” even when referring to refugees from Iraq or Palestine, linking unemployment and crime to an increase in migrants, concealing the positive impact of migrants on the economy and society, and an absence of effective social integration practices.

“Unfortunately, the racist venom has been allowed to poison the souls of a portion of our youth,” KISA said.

The organisation also criticised police for continually showing a total lack of sensibility towards incidents of racist violence and for often failing to even take a record of such incidents.

“The African Community in Cyprus is living in fear since last night’s attack. KISA demands the thorough investigation of the incident and the punishment of those guilty of the crime. This is of course the bare minimum and cannot in itself solve the larger problem. What is absolutely necessary is the implementation of a comprehensive policy on migration and asylum that will safeguard migrants’ rights, respect of diversity and the social integration of migrants, refugees, children of mixed marriages, and others. It is also necessary to introduce a comprehensive action plan against racism, xenophobia and discrimination,” said KISA.

The immigrant group called on all students, particularly the perpetrators’ schoolmates, to isolate the 15-year-old’s attackers and to show their solidarity to the young victim and her family.

The organisation will hold a protest demonstration at 11am in Eleftheria Square today in an effort to raise awareness about the incident and to put an end to similar ones in future before they taken on even more tragic dimensions.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

And?

[YFred]

Everything is quoted from either the BBC or Cyprus Mail and I have provided both the source and date. Find the damn link yourself!

Some of these articles are very old and it is almost impossible to provide you with a link.

Don't these two statments contradict each other?

Whats the matter with everybody today, stop picking on the poor bafiti boy. Leave him alone, you are picking on him and its not fair. Play the white man!

Typical racist remarks from you YFronts!

If you think that is racist, I feel sorry for you. You want to see racism, read this right under your nose, its big enough:

Sudanese girl beaten in vicious racist attack
By Alexia Saoulli
(archive article - Saturday, December 20, 2008)
A 15-YEAR-OLD Sudanese girl was in hospital yesterday after she was badly beaten in an unprovoked racist attack on Thursday night.

The teenager was attacked by dozens of youths after a volleyball match between Akaki gymnasium and a Strovolos secondary school.

“They kicked her, punched her, pulled her hair and told her to go home as foreigners are not welcome here,” said Doros Polycarpou, leader of immigrant support group, KISA.

The young girl, who is Cypriot citizen from African descent, was a player in the Akaki team. The attack occurred following the match’s conclusion, which saw the 15-year-old’s team victorious.

“At first she was attacked by one of the other team’s players and then suddenly everyone lunged at her, including fans,” said Polycarpou.

When the girl’s coach tried to defend her, he was threatened with a beating.

“They had to call 199 and it was only when the police arrived that the beating stopped,” he said.

But the only thing the police did to protect the girl was to lock her in the school until her father arrived to take her to hospital.

“No one was arrested. No statements were taken. No one was charged,” said Polycarpou.

The 15-year-old was taken to Nicosia general hospital with severe injuries and admitted for treatment. She remained in hospital last night.

When her father tried to report the incident he was told to fill in a medical form and to return with it later. The teen’s father did as he was asked only to be told that the afternoon shift that had handled the incident had gone home.

“He was told to come back the next day. When he went by today he was told that the shift hadn’t come to work yet and that they would contact him,” Polycarpou said.

According to a KISA news release: “This is one of the most serious crimes concerning racist violence in Cyprus, since the reason of the attack was the young girl’s skin colour. She is a Cypriot national of African origins… The incident may be an unusually extreme form of racist violence, but it nevertheless takes place in a broader social framework, where racist attitudes and discrimination against migrants and refugees (concerning employment, housing and other aspects of daily life) now dominate.”

Incidents of this nature were relevant to the stigmatisation of migrants by politicians, the media and social prominent personalities who persistently made racist generalisations, the statement said. Examples included the constant referral to “illegal migrants” even when referring to refugees from Iraq or Palestine, linking unemployment and crime to an increase in migrants, concealing the positive impact of migrants on the economy and society, and an absence of effective social integration practices.

“Unfortunately, the racist venom has been allowed to poison the souls of a portion of our youth,” KISA said.

The organisation also criticised police for continually showing a total lack of sensibility towards incidents of racist violence and for often failing to even take a record of such incidents.

“The African Community in Cyprus is living in fear since last night’s attack. KISA demands the thorough investigation of the incident and the punishment of those guilty of the crime. This is of course the bare minimum and cannot in itself solve the larger problem. What is absolutely necessary is the implementation of a comprehensive policy on migration and asylum that will safeguard migrants’ rights, respect of diversity and the social integration of migrants, refugees, children of mixed marriages, and others. It is also necessary to introduce a comprehensive action plan against racism, xenophobia and discrimination,” said KISA.

The immigrant group called on all students, particularly the perpetrators’ schoolmates, to isolate the 15-year-old’s attackers and to show their solidarity to the young victim and her family.

The organisation will hold a protest demonstration at 11am in Eleftheria Square today in an effort to raise awareness about the incident and to put an end to similar ones in future before they taken on even more tragic dimensions.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

And?

Child hospitalised by 50 racist GCs, police take no action and you are asking And?

[CBBB]

Everything is quoted from either the BBC or Cyprus Mail and I have provided both the source and date. Find the damn link yourself!

Some of these articles are very old and it is almost impossible to provide you with a link.

Don't these two statments contradict each other?

Whats the matter with everybody today, stop picking on the poor bafiti boy. Leave him alone, you are picking on him and its not fair. Play the white man!

Typical racist remarks from you YFronts!

If you think that is racist, I feel sorry for you. You want to see racism, read this right under your nose, its big enough:

Sudanese girl beaten in vicious racist attack
By Alexia Saoulli
(archive article - Saturday, December 20, 2008)
A 15-YEAR-OLD Sudanese girl was in hospital yesterday after she was badly beaten in an unprovoked racist attack on Thursday night.

The teenager was attacked by dozens of youths after a volleyball match between Akaki gymnasium and a Strovolos secondary school.

“They kicked her, punched her, pulled her hair and told her to go home as foreigners are not welcome here,” said Doros Polycarpou, leader of immigrant support group, KISA.

The young girl, who is Cypriot citizen from African descent, was a player in the Akaki team. The attack occurred following the match’s conclusion, which saw the 15-year-old’s team victorious.

“At first she was attacked by one of the other team’s players and then suddenly everyone lunged at her, including fans,” said Polycarpou.

When the girl’s coach tried to defend her, he was threatened with a beating.

“They had to call 199 and it was only when the police arrived that the beating stopped,” he said.

But the only thing the police did to protect the girl was to lock her in the school until her father arrived to take her to hospital.

“No one was arrested. No statements were taken. No one was charged,” said Polycarpou.

The 15-year-old was taken to Nicosia general hospital with severe injuries and admitted for treatment. She remained in hospital last night.

When her father tried to report the incident he was told to fill in a medical form and to return with it later. The teen’s father did as he was asked only to be told that the afternoon shift that had handled the incident had gone home.

“He was told to come back the next day. When he went by today he was told that the shift hadn’t come to work yet and that they would contact him,” Polycarpou said.

According to a KISA news release: “This is one of the most serious crimes concerning racist violence in Cyprus, since the reason of the attack was the young girl’s skin colour. She is a Cypriot national of African origins… The incident may be an unusually extreme form of racist violence, but it nevertheless takes place in a broader social framework, where racist attitudes and discrimination against migrants and refugees (concerning employment, housing and other aspects of daily life) now dominate.”

Incidents of this nature were relevant to the stigmatisation of migrants by politicians, the media and social prominent personalities who persistently made racist generalisations, the statement said. Examples included the constant referral to “illegal migrants” even when referring to refugees from Iraq or Palestine, linking unemployment and crime to an increase in migrants, concealing the positive impact of migrants on the economy and society, and an absence of effective social integration practices.

“Unfortunately, the racist venom has been allowed to poison the souls of a portion of our youth,” KISA said.

The organisation also criticised police for continually showing a total lack of sensibility towards incidents of racist violence and for often failing to even take a record of such incidents.

“The African Community in Cyprus is living in fear since last night’s attack. KISA demands the thorough investigation of the incident and the punishment of those guilty of the crime. This is of course the bare minimum and cannot in itself solve the larger problem. What is absolutely necessary is the implementation of a comprehensive policy on migration and asylum that will safeguard migrants’ rights, respect of diversity and the social integration of migrants, refugees, children of mixed marriages, and others. It is also necessary to introduce a comprehensive action plan against racism, xenophobia and discrimination,” said KISA.

The immigrant group called on all students, particularly the perpetrators’ schoolmates, to isolate the 15-year-old’s attackers and to show their solidarity to the young victim and her family.

The organisation will hold a protest demonstration at 11am in Eleftheria Square today in an effort to raise awareness about the incident and to put an end to similar ones in future before they taken on even more tragic dimensions.

Copyright © Cyprus Mail 2009

And?

Child hospitalised by 50 racist GCs, police take no action and you are asking And?

This only proves that there are other racists, not that you aren't.

[bill cobbett]

Freddoula, you burk, stop screwing up this thread. Start another one if you want to talk about racism.

...and....

an se tho basto thromo, tha se tsileeso.

[YFred]

Freddoula, you burk, stop screwing up this thread. Start another one if you want to talk about racism.

...and....

an se tho basto thromo, tha se tsileeso.

Charlie Billos do Billagouis, bu ise re, mavro yerimo naminis.

I have been acused of being racist because I used the phrase "play the white man", I ask you, whats the world coming to Charlie?

[insan]

According to the BBC Radio 4 documentary programme “Document” transmitted on Monday 23 January 2006 evidence exists which shows that the UK was directly behind Turkish terrorism in Cyprus after it gained its independence in 1960 in order to bring about the partition of the island.

Yes and no. Elements within the British state were working towards partition, but other elements were working against it. Elements within the British military and intelligence were working for partition, it may even have been official intelligence policy; but neither the British state nor the British community was trying to partition Cyprus.

Plus even the intelligence services weren't "behind" TMT; but maybe they were [i]beside it. They didn't create or direct TMT, but they did support and help it.

Either way, it was a shameful episode in British history.

I see nothing wrong with some elements or whole elements in British being behind/beside TMT or TCs while there were some foreign elements behind EOKA and other Enosist groups of Hellenes. What's wrong with it?